some fascinating results

[Salem Temple]

Well it happened! After years of frustration and confusion concerning a few personal issues, I finally had a mental breakdown brought on by unexpected effects of the practices and material offered here.

I spent years helping other people, in a number of ways. Thankfully I did, as it has helped me to identify what has been happening with me recently. I joined not too long ago, and started to use lifeflow with my meditations. I noticed the obvious positive effects from inital use, but soon discovered an unfolding going on under the surface.

After using it for about 2 weeks with my meditations, I started noticing some strange but cool things occuring while away from meditation. Old smells started to return and old ideas and even songs came to mind that I hadnt played in years. Though I have had these experiences before in meditation, it hadnt occured so often and so potient as it was after using LF in my meditation, and rarly did such sensations and experiences continue to happen after I was done with meditation. Clearly something was happening.

To make a long story short, one day I was talking to a friend when all at once something he said set me off, hit a trigger. For some reason I was extra sensitive. When it started it was sudden and very strong, stronger then I had ever felt. I got really mad and started attacking him for everything he had ever done to me. That is when I noticed that I was way wayyy to upset for it to just be an issue of getting offended. So imidiatly I stated to go over what exactly happened.

That is when I started to put the puzzle together. My friend had sparked a wound that had never healed, a 22 year old wound that had nothing at all to do with him. A wound that was much bigger then I had thought before.

When I was young I experienced a truama. I was about 5 or 6, and over the years both me and the people around me trivialized the truama. I knew it had an effect, but didnt think that it really effected my whole view of the world.

Lifeflow had brought up old pathways and emotions and had done so in such a way that I figured it out. I had set my whole human value on the results of my relationships. My friends, my bosses, my teachers and strangers, all where filtered though this perception, and if any of them hinted at my failure or rejected me, or so on. I would internalize it as my value. I had a fine line of good an bad in terms of my value, and if I had any rejection at all, the value went to 0. I remember telling people that because they didnt listen to me on a single event, they were making me feel worthless.

I didnt see how the past truama had changed my preception and set up a narrow value system that was doomed for failure and destruction from the start.

Since I had spent some time counseling people, I knew what to do. By forgiving and facing the person who started it all, I was able to see that they had also been damaged. Allowing me to understand where the truama had come from has helped me to finally start to heal.

I am honestly shocked that this happened, here I am thinking I have resolved everything and boom, something pops up I had put out of mind before I had even developed my mind.

I feel that it is partly due to the effects of Lifeflow that this happened. By stirring up old mental path ways in my brain it triggered the natural facing of this unresolved issue. I feel 100 times better then I thought possible before.

I am very greatful for what is offered here, by the staff, and the members. From the bottom of my heart, thankyou for this compassionate, and enlightened community!!

-Salem-

[Salem Temple]

Now the other results that I have some quesions on is precognition.

I am experiencing alot of what I would call precognition, seeing things and precieving them before they take place.

My questions are: Is this normal for lifeflow to produce such strong precognitive abilities. Is there any way to filter and direct this precognition to see specific events. And either way, what can precognition be used for in a positive way if any.

I have had precognition before, but it went away for a number of years. I believe in part because I didnt know what to do with it, and also my meditation time was lacking.

Since using lifeflow this ability seems to be getting stronger, yet I still find it fairly useless in the big picture. Expecially when I dont chose what I can see or not.

Also a side note is, another effect is I have started hearing music in my head again. Its been atleast 6 years since I last had this happen. I am enjoying it alot, and excited to start writting again.

thankyou for any imput you may have.

-salem-

[Panthau]

Sounds great Salem! Happy for you that you could solve this issue! Its fascinating how things in our childhood effect our perspective in the later years, and how they can be an emotional dead end for some.

I cant say much to your question in the second post though, sorry

Atb,
Pan

[GilesC]

Hi Salem,

Glad you were able to recognise and deal with your repressed issue. That must have been a tough one, but you sound as though you were aware enough to capture the moment and recognise that your mind was taking control, and then stop it in it's tracks.

As for the precognition, (something that I get too) I think the fact that you are aware of this happening is a good starting point. Awareness gives the control back to you and not your mind, which would inevitably cover up such things with pointless thoughts. Being aware of it happening will allow you stop the mind covering it up so much and being able to see the truth that is around you. There is nothing more empowering than being able to see the truth in any situation.

As for whether it's "normal" for lifeflow to bring about these things, I cannot answer, as we can only speak from our own experiences. For me, I have had precognitive abilities (intuitive abilities if you like) since before using lifeflow.

Hugs

Giles

[M L K]

Originally Posted by GilesC

... There is nothing more empowering than being able to see the truth in any situation.

Well said, Giles. What I love about meditation practice -- in addition to the particular insights you and Salem are talking about here -- is that it helps us have everyday experiences that are more spacious and luminous.

Best wishes to all on the forum, Margaret

[Itlandm]

As for psychic abilities, all great traditions that I know of will tell you that they are of no value. The surface consciousness - what people on this forum call "the mind" - likes to chase these things, but they are not of it, and will run away. Then your surface consciousness will lead you on a wild goose chase, substituting fiction for fact. The only way for your psychic powers to become reliable is to ignore them, paradoxically. Because they are not of the "mind", you must not let your "mind" interact with them. Do you see the logic in this?

There are numerous examples of the great spirits through the ages manifesting various psychic abilities. There is nothing inherently evil in this. But as long as you are still on the level of the surface consciousness, the level where there are distinctions between friend and foe, between win and loss, these things will not be reliable.

Do not claim such powers for yourself, but give them back to where they came from, and they just might be there for you when you need them to serve and protect this precious world.

(And besides, whenever you use psychic powers, people will think you are nuts! )

[Salem Temple]

Originally Posted by Panthau

Sounds great Salem! Happy for you that you could solve this issue! Its fascinating how things in our childhood effect our perspective in the later years, and how they can be an emotional dead end for some.

I cant say much to your question in the second post though, sorry

Atb,
Pan

Thankyou for your thoughts Pan. It is fascinating how unexpected things like this occures in meditation, I am very happy how things fall into place on thier own. Thankyou for sharing!!

Originally Posted by GilesC

Hi Salem,

Glad you were able to recognise and deal with your repressed issue. That must have been a tough one, but you sound as though you were aware enough to capture the moment and recognise that your mind was taking control, and then stop it in it's tracks.

As for the precognition, (something that I get too) I think the fact that you are aware of this happening is a good starting point. Awareness gives the control back to you and not your mind, which would inevitably cover up such things with pointless thoughts. Being aware of it happening will allow you stop the mind covering it up so much and being able to see the truth that is around you. There is nothing more empowering than being able to see the truth in any situation.

As for whether it's "normal" for lifeflow to bring about these things, I cannot answer, as we can only speak from our own experiences. For me, I have had precognitive abilities (intuitive abilities if you like) since before using lifeflow.

Hugs

Giles

I can relate to what your saying Giles. I am glad to know that others have had this and dont get distracted by it. Though the experience isnt new to me either, it is however more potent then before, and I wasnt sure if I had more to expect, but I guess my expectations should be focused on awareness, and not so much over the side effects. I am just happy that an unseen issue has risen to the suface and was dealt with

Thankyou for your insight, and support!!

Originally Posted by M L K

Well said, Giles. What I love about meditation practice -- in addition to the particular insights you and Salem are talking about here -- is that it helps us have everyday experiences that are more spacious and luminous.

Best wishes to all on the forum, Margaret

Great way to put it Margaret! As a new level to my experience, adding new depth and beauty to everyday events and experience.

Thankyou for your imput!!

Originally Posted by Itlandm

As for psychic abilities, all great traditions that I know of will tell you that they are of no value. The surface consciousness - what people on this forum call "the mind" - likes to chase these things, but they are not of it, and will run away. Then your surface consciousness will lead you on a wild goose chase, substituting fiction for fact. The only way for your psychic powers to become reliable is to ignore them, paradoxically. Because they are not of the "mind", you must not let your "mind" interact with them. Do you see the logic in this?

There are numerous examples of the great spirits through the ages manifesting various psychic abilities. There is nothing inherently evil in this. But as long as you are still on the level of the surface consciousness, the level where there are distinctions between friend and foe, between win and loss, these things will not be reliable.

Do not claim such powers for yourself, but give them back to where they came from, and they just might be there for you when you need them to serve and protect this precious world.

(And besides, whenever you use psychic powers, people will think you are nuts! )

Awesome way to put it:
"Do not claim such powers for yourself, but give them back to where they came from, and they just might be there for you when you need them to serve and protect this precious world."

I feel very much the truth of what you are saying, though it is hard to explain. I guess the key is to not let it just become a new distinction. "Let it be" so to speak.

"..as long as you are still on the level of the surface consciousness, the level where there are distinctions between friend and foe, between win and loss, these things will not be reliable."

I agree, though I am aware of the unreliability of such distinctions, it is not as easy at it first sounds. Though I have achieved equanimity on a certain level, I tend to try to determine the exact use for such occurances. But ultamently this and that do become distinctions and very distracting if I let it.

Thankyou for your insights and comments!! Much to ponder

-salem-

[Ramai]

Hi Salem,
I’m glad to hear that you are getting such positive results and so early in the programme.
Well, there is no question in my mind that LifeFlow has helped you unload the “baggage”. I re-read the support e-mails and increased intuition, increased creativity are only a few of the mental capabilities acquired through the reorganisation and increased synchrony in the brain.
More to come

Love,
Ramai

[Salem Temple]

Originally Posted by Ramai

Hi Salem,
I’m glad to hear that you are getting such positive results and so early in the programme.
Well, there is no question in my mind that LifeFlow has helped you unload the “baggage”. I re-read the support e-mails and increased intuition, increased creativity are only a few of the mental capabilities acquired through the reorganisation and increased synchrony in the brain.
More to come

Love,
Ramai

Very fascinating. I have enjoyed the results so far, and am ready for more So far this has been awesome, and I am glad I joined. Thankyou for your imput

much love

-Salem-