A question or two about Lifeflow...

[John]

Thanks Raven.
I find your post very informative and encouraging to overcome any sceptism.Like you I, also like definitive explanations about how thing work etc and your research and post does this.
Thanks for taking the effort to share with us
John

[pollyanna]

Originally Posted by Raven

Edwin,

I haven't really given a lot of personal information about myself (I'm somewhat private,) but I've worked in recording studios since I was a teenager, so I have access to some fairly state of the art audio equipment. Someone commented in one post that I seemed to know a fair piece about audio, and that's the reason why. I do spend a great deal of time working with music and audio tracks so maybe some of my observations would be of interest to others.

I was intrigued when I first ran the analysis on the LifeFlow tracks as well. Call me curious, I suppose, but I've run audio spectrographs on a number of entrainment products from various companies (out of courtesy I won't specify the names here,) because I always want to know if their claims are backed up by the technical analysis I perform. So here are a couple of interesting points I've found.

First thing I noticed was that the LifeFlow tracks start and end right at their targeted entrainment frequency. No descending down, no climbing back up. They do fade in and out with the volume, but this does not in any way affect frequency of the entrainment waves themselves. Virtually every other track I've run through the spectrograph tells you in their literature that they begin in Beta, slowly descend down to the target frequency where they remain for a time, then start ascending again back to Beta. I've always found this a most curious thing since, as Michael has said, and as I've read in many places elsewhere, the human brain requires something like 8 minutes to entrain to a frequency, and it only works if that frequency remains constant.

So my first question when I read the literature of other entrainment companies was...If you start at Beta and slowly and constantly decrease the frequency until you get to your target, then during that period of descent (or ascent at the end of the track,) how is the brain supposed to entrain to the tones because there was never a fixed frequency for it to get a handle on? Everything I've been able to read about entrainment suggests that entrainment only occurs if the brain has a fixed frequency to lock onto. Going back to the example Michael gave about that 17th century Dutch scientist (I forget his name) who discovered the phenomenon of entrainment by starting the pendulums of clocks swinging at different times, then came back later to find they had all synchronized and were swinging in unison, none of those clocks started at one rate and then sped up or slowed over a gradual period of time to give the other clocks a chance to gradually match them. They started off at one rate and they all ended up matching that exact same rate.

To my mind that suggests that easing your way into entrainment or back out of entrainment is simply not necessary. You pick the target frequency and the brain zeros in on it. As for those entrainment tracks that use the wind up and wind down strategy, since they never give the brain a fixed entrainment wave to lock on to during those "winding" periods, that time would seem to be completely wasted. Your brain doesn't really begin entraining with them until they hit and hold at their target frequency. I'm guessing that's one of the reasons I've found the LifeFlow tracks to be so much more effective. They don't waste any time either at their beginning or end. They just immerse me immediately at the frequency I want to go to. As for gradually coming out, I know that for example, when I'm daydreaming, I'm in a state of predominantly Alpha waves. If something comes up and I need to return to full, normal Beta consciousness, I don't need something to gradually bring me out of the daydream over a 10 or 15 minute period. My brain just goes from Alpha to Beta immediately, and I'm right there where I need to be.

So those wind up/down periods really do seem to be nothing but wasted filler time on most entrainment tracks. If I have a 30 minute track, and 10 minutes at the beginning is used to wind down from Beta to Alpha or another target frequency, and another 10 minutes is taken at the end of the track to go from the target frequency back up to Beta, that means 20 minutes of my 30 minute track were completely wasted. Worse yet, it means I only got 10 minutes at my target entrainment frequency. If it took the first 8 minutes of that for me to entrain that leaves me with a whole whopping 2 minutes of time at my target frequency. I get 2 minutes of time at frequency from a 30 minute track. That doesn't sound to me as if it would produce much of a result.

The second thing I noticed, and you don't need expensive equipment to test this for yourself, is that I can see the LifeFlow track entrainment beats when I play the tracks on the spectrograph, but you can do the same on your home computer using a freeware program called Audacity. Audacity is a fairly basic audio manipulation program, not complex by professional standards but enough for a home user to get some good mileage out of. One of the features Audacity has is a set of decibel meters that show both the left and right channels of the track you're playing. These show up as a couple of green bars that pulsate with the intensity of the track. This isn't the playback volume these bars are measuring, which can go up or down depending on how I adjust the volume control. What these bars measure are the actual intrinsic intensity of the recorded sound waves themselves. What you see if you play a LifeFlow track is that these these intensity bars pulsate at regular, consistent intervals, which would be the monaural and isochronic waves you're looking at (binaurals wouldn't show up because they're a construct of the brain rather than an actual sound.) In any event, you can put on LF-10, for instance and see the bars pulsating at a steady rate. Then put on LF-4 or 2 or any of the lower tracks and you'll see the bars still pulsating, but at a noticeably slower rate. Even if you can't audibly hear the entrainment waves because you have the volume turned down too low, you can still see the intensity bars pulsating, telling you that the waves are in fact there.

Interestingly, when I play tracks from other manufacturers I get no discernible patterns on the intensity bars. They just bounce all over the place seemingly at random. That may be the reason I've never gotten any particularly noteworthy results using other entrainment products. All those waves just seem jumbled together. How would my brain ever make sense of them? For that matter, I can't even honestly say that what I'm viewing in those tracks ARE entrainment waves. They might just as well be nothing more than the sounds of the waves or music or whatever else is used to "mask" the buried alleged entrainment waves because there is no consistent pattern to them. I know other entrainment companies use combinations of entrainment wave frequencies and that probably accounts for why there is no clear pattern of wave pulsations...that, and the fact that none of the others I've ever tested have used isochronic or monaural waves, but stick exclusively to binaurals, which, as I said earlier, wouldn't show up clearly on a program as rudimentary as Audacity.

So when I ran across the LifeFlow series I was, to say the least, very skeptical. I thought to myself, "Here we go again! Another entrainment product that will just show me a jumble of sounds!" Then I tested them and to my very great surprise I found them to be unique and very different than any other track I'd ever tested before. So I started using the LF-10 track and noticed how much it improved my meditative practice. With the technical spectrographic proof before my eyes, and the personal experience verifying to me that the tracks really do what Michael says they do, I had no qualms at all about investing in the rest of the series.

I know this was a book, Edwin, but I thought you and others might be interested in what I found since most people do not have access to the kind of testing equipment I'm fortunate enough to have at my disposal.

~Raven~

Thanks again Raven,
I was just looking through an old thread for something I have recently experienced, and found this post of yours. I think it's a great piece of information especially for anyone who is naturally skeptical. Happiness and joy

[shesgg]

I've been using the cds for about a week now. 2 days ago, I had the best experience with it, I was aware all the way through but so peaceful and relaxed. I really did envision myself in a raft floating down a winding river...

The past two days, I've been falling asleep. With the other cds I was using, they said it was ok to fall asleep and that eventually, you would start staying awake.

Is it really ok?

[pollyanna]

Hi Shesgg, yes it's absolutely fine. At the moment your body probably needs sleep and you probably have not felt so relaxed for a long time. Just go with the flow and enjoy whatever happens. I have been using LifeFlow for over a year now. In the beginning I used to fall asleep - even now this occasionally happens. I am so much happier and healthier and have experienced many, many benefits over time. I am much more calm and confident than I have ever been. Just keep following Michael's instructions and I wish you happiness and joy on your journey of self discovery

[shesgg]

Originally Posted by pollyanna

Hi Shesgg, yes it's absolutely fine. At the moment your body probably needs sleep and you probably have not felt so relaxed for a long time. Just go with the flow and enjoy whatever happens. I have been using LifeFlow for over a year now. In the beginning I used to fall asleep - even now this occasionally happens. I am so much happier and healthier and have experienced many, many benefits over time. I am much more calm and confident than I have ever been. Just keep following Michael's instructions and I wish you happiness and joy on your journey of self discovery

Thanks! I am about to do my meditation for today, I'm glad I saw this.

As soon as I put the headphones on and breathe, I'm in. It's a great program, really. I'm glad I gave it a try.

Thanks for the good wishes, I'm feeling better already.

Love/Light

GG

[newyorker]

Originally Posted by Raven

Edwin,

I haven't really given a lot of personal information about myself (I'm somewhat private,) but I've worked in recording studios since I was a teenager, so I have access to some fairly state of the art audio equipment. Someone commented in one post that I seemed to know a fair piece about audio, and that's the reason why. I do spend a great deal of time working with music and audio tracks so maybe some of my observations would be of interest to others.

I was intrigued when I first ran the analysis on the LifeFlow tracks as well. Call me curious, I suppose, but I've run audio spectrographs on a number of entrainment products from various companies (out of courtesy I won't specify the names here,) because I always want to know if their claims are backed up by the technical analysis I perform. So here are a couple of interesting points I've found.

First thing I noticed was that the LifeFlow tracks start and end right at their targeted entrainment frequency. No descending down, no climbing back up. They do fade in and out with the volume, but this does not in any way affect frequency of the entrainment waves themselves. Virtually every other track I've run through the spectrograph tells you in their literature that they begin in Beta, slowly descend down to the target frequency where they remain for a time, then start ascending again back to Beta. I've always found this a most curious thing since, as Michael has said, and as I've read in many places elsewhere, the human brain requires something like 8 minutes to entrain to a frequency, and it only works if that frequency remains constant.

So my first question when I read the literature of other entrainment companies was...If you start at Beta and slowly and constantly decrease the frequency until you get to your target, then during that period of descent (or ascent at the end of the track,) how is the brain supposed to entrain to the tones because there was never a fixed frequency for it to get a handle on? Everything I've been able to read about entrainment suggests that entrainment only occurs if the brain has a fixed frequency to lock onto. Going back to the example Michael gave about that 17th century Dutch scientist (I forget his name) who discovered the phenomenon of entrainment by starting the pendulums of clocks swinging at different times, then came back later to find they had all synchronized and were swinging in unison, none of those clocks started at one rate and then sped up or slowed over a gradual period of time to give the other clocks a chance to gradually match them. They started off at one rate and they all ended up matching that exact same rate.

To my mind that suggests that easing your way into entrainment or back out of entrainment is simply not necessary. You pick the target frequency and the brain zeros in on it. As for those entrainment tracks that use the wind up and wind down strategy, since they never give the brain a fixed entrainment wave to lock on to during those "winding" periods, that time would seem to be completely wasted. Your brain doesn't really begin entraining with them until they hit and hold at their target frequency. I'm guessing that's one of the reasons I've found the LifeFlow tracks to be so much more effective. They don't waste any time either at their beginning or end. They just immerse me immediately at the frequency I want to go to. As for gradually coming out, I know that for example, when I'm daydreaming, I'm in a state of predominantly Alpha waves. If something comes up and I need to return to full, normal Beta consciousness, I don't need something to gradually bring me out of the daydream over a 10 or 15 minute period. My brain just goes from Alpha to Beta immediately, and I'm right there where I need to be.

So those wind up/down periods really do seem to be nothing but wasted filler time on most entrainment tracks. If I have a 30 minute track, and 10 minutes at the beginning is used to wind down from Beta to Alpha or another target frequency, and another 10 minutes is taken at the end of the track to go from the target frequency back up to Beta, that means 20 minutes of my 30 minute track were completely wasted. Worse yet, it means I only got 10 minutes at my target entrainment frequency. If it took the first 8 minutes of that for me to entrain that leaves me with a whole whopping 2 minutes of time at my target frequency. I get 2 minutes of time at frequency from a 30 minute track. That doesn't sound to me as if it would produce much of a result.

The second thing I noticed, and you don't need expensive equipment to test this for yourself, is that I can see the LifeFlow track entrainment beats when I play the tracks on the spectrograph, but you can do the same on your home computer using a freeware program called Audacity. Audacity is a fairly basic audio manipulation program, not complex by professional standards but enough for a home user to get some good mileage out of. One of the features Audacity has is a set of decibel meters that show both the left and right channels of the track you're playing. These show up as a couple of green bars that pulsate with the intensity of the track. This isn't the playback volume these bars are measuring, which can go up or down depending on how I adjust the volume control. What these bars measure are the actual intrinsic intensity of the recorded sound waves themselves. What you see if you play a LifeFlow track is that these these intensity bars pulsate at regular, consistent intervals, which would be the monaural and isochronic waves you're looking at (binaurals wouldn't show up because they're a construct of the brain rather than an actual sound.) In any event, you can put on LF-10, for instance and see the bars pulsating at a steady rate. Then put on LF-4 or 2 or any of the lower tracks and you'll see the bars still pulsating, but at a noticeably slower rate. Even if you can't audibly hear the entrainment waves because you have the volume turned down too low, you can still see the intensity bars pulsating, telling you that the waves are in fact there.

Interestingly, when I play tracks from other manufacturers I get no discernible patterns on the intensity bars. They just bounce all over the place seemingly at random. That may be the reason I've never gotten any particularly noteworthy results using other entrainment products. All those waves just seem jumbled together. How would my brain ever make sense of them? For that matter, I can't even honestly say that what I'm viewing in those tracks ARE entrainment waves. They might just as well be nothing more than the sounds of the waves or music or whatever else is used to "mask" the buried alleged entrainment waves because there is no consistent pattern to them. I know other entrainment companies use combinations of entrainment wave frequencies and that probably accounts for why there is no clear pattern of wave pulsations...that, and the fact that none of the others I've ever tested have used isochronic or monaural waves, but stick exclusively to binaurals, which, as I said earlier, wouldn't show up clearly on a program as rudimentary as Audacity.

So when I ran across the LifeFlow series I was, to say the least, very skeptical. I thought to myself, "Here we go again! Another entrainment product that will just show me a jumble of sounds!" Then I tested them and to my very great surprise I found them to be unique and very different than any other track I'd ever tested before. So I started using the LF-10 track and noticed how much it improved my meditative practice. With the technical spectrographic proof before my eyes, and the personal experience verifying to me that the tracks really do what Michael says they do, I had no qualms at all about investing in the rest of the series.

I know this was a book, Edwin, but I thought you and others might be interested in what I found since most people do not have access to the kind of testing equipment I'm fortunate enough to have at my disposal.

~Raven~

I've recently begun using Lifeflow and the dynamics in my team is tremendous. It definately is superior to anything I have used before. Your comments confirm what I believe Raven. Very interesting read. NY

[Vince993]

Can any of the more experienced users tell me if the cricket noise used in #10 is used in the other recordings. I find it very distracting and can not relax with it...........please advise......thanks..don

[tykraus7]

Each Lifeflow level has new sounds along with the water.

[Coenrad Morgan]

Hello Raven,

I am so pleased to have stumbled accross your post, as I work in the Data Communications field, one is conditioned to get touchy about facts, proofs and verification procedures, you learn to think and toss feeling out of the window. The problem is I can feel that LifeFlow10 is working, my mind wasnt totaly convinced, I can now put that to bed from a technical point of view, I am so grateful for your sharing your knowledge in such a technicaly sound way.

I have friends who play with "do it yourself" entrainment / brain frequency generators, quite frankly I believe this to be potentialy hazardous as your messing with your primary tool in life and who knows what effect it could have.

I am now able to relax and put my trust in LifeFlow in combination with Discover Meditation, Thank you!

[Helen66]

You all talk about having downloaded the LF 10 CD, I found the sample, but not the actual cd. Where do I get that one? I would love to try it. Also, ya'll talk about 40 minutes. The original download's max session was 20 minutes, so where did ya'll get the info for 40 minutes? Help plz, I am new to all this.
Thanks