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Old December 3rd, 2012, 10:05   #1 (permalink)
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Default First time meditating, very weird experience

Hi everyone! First of all I have to apologize for the poor english since I am not from USA and never had english grammar classes. I am a 22 years old male med student with high interest over neuroscience.

(personal, optional reading) I have never payed much attention to this 'meditating stuff', because I'm an atheist and didnt have any knowledge about it and had the shameful common sense 'its religious crap'. But lately i've been re-evaluating my actions and thoughts and decided to study something before giving opinions about it; just because I see a lot of people saying religious nonsense to me without having any base and I didnt want to be like them. So I heard about meditation yesterday and went on the internet and made a reasearch about it, and found out that it had nothing to do with what I was thinking and it has scientific approval.

So I thought 'why not?' and tried it. First I have to say that I've always had a 'zzzzzz (like a TV turned on)' sound in my head, 24/7. Ok, so I was in bed, tried to stay as confortable as possible on an totally silent environment, tried to calm down my breathing and leave every single thought away from my head (hard one), and then the 'zzzz' started to get louder and I thought 'what the....??' and it stopped getting louder. Then I calmed down and left every thought away again and it continued getting louder for several minutes until something very strange happened. The sound wasn't more a sound, it was a presence that involved me, it felt like some 'dumb-filter' falled and I had a weird feeling like achieving some knowledge, like having a greater undertanding over myself and other things. And meanwhile I didnt feel my own body (the sensations started disappearing as the 'zzz' got louder). At this moment I started having worries about my sanity and 'forced my way out' moving my eyes (really only thing I could barely feel). After I came back, I felt formication (i think that's the word) over the body as the sensations came back, and the sound continued a little louder than usual and a little bit of the feeling of knowledge and extreme focus stayed for a few minutes, then everything came back to normal.

So I thought 'this is one of the most interesting experiences that ever happened to me' and later that day and today I tried meditating again. I got the 'zzz' getting louder, but as it goes louder and louder I seem to get afraid at some point, and several random thoughts appear in my head and I end up losing focus, so the event above didnt happen again. But I still have the few minutes of a little louder 'zzz', sense of focus and formications on hands and foots after I stop.

Finally I started to put things together. I have always been a daydreamer, like if the topic on class isnt interesting, I get some random thought like 'if this happened?' and it can evolve into a whole storyline if no one touches me and say 'dude, stop trippin'. Then I realized that everytime this happened, or when im doing some serious test, the 'zzzz' got louder. And that ring a bell on me; and I came to a few conclusions over what happened taking into account some facts

1. I already went to a doctor over the 'zzzz' turned on TV sound I hear 24/7, and he said that it is not common, but normal in my case. When it isnt pathologic, its cause isnt well known, it can be either the sound of the blood flow of a missplaced vessel that is too close to my tympanic membrane or the sound caused by the electricty/eletromagnetic field of the brain that some people happen to hear

2. I've had some classes on psichology and psichiatry that gave me some basis, and it is known that the brain has several 'thought layers', it something like how 'deep' is a thought. Some of these layers are unconscious. The number of layers varies of the theory but the most well known has 3

The conclusions I came to were

1. How loud is the sound I hear probably isn't something meaningfull. It can have some complex reasons if it is caused by my brain electric field. But it is probably just because I am more focused or the vessel's blood flow to the brain is increased.

2. IF its due to the electric field, it can have something to do with how deep is my thought at the moment in my own brain. But again, it probably has nothing to do with it, this was just to ring the bell of my last conclusion

3. I believe that meditation has to do with penetrating deeper and deeper layers of the brain. And the event that happened with me was a brief acess of my conscience on the deep and unconscious part of the brain. It could explain a lot of things. Something like penetrating into deep and unconscious layers and at the same time losing the acess to the superficial layers you already had (thats would be why you have to stop random thinking - well known as beying part of the most superficial layer - , stop moving and just focus on yourself) makes sense to me. It also would explain the sense of knowledge and the sense of understanding yourself, seying on a greater view - if there is something that every theory agree is that the unconscious part of the brain is the immense majority , so having acess to that is what explains these real feelings.

Finally, the meditation theme got me even more interested to go to the field of neuroscience. There is still a LOT to learn, and meditation to me seem something very promising if some day is completely understood and mastered. If meditation really allow the acess to these unconscious layers of the brain, this can be one of the most promising fields. This is because of the truth that is said on the neuro field: your brain commands you, not the opposite. The unconscious layers regiment and tunnel everything you do and think, throught instincts and ethics, essentially, throught its programmed 'database'. Now, imagin acessing this throught meditation, in a mastered way, like a 'menu'. The possibilities are imaginable! One could change your self, the essence, the tunneling parameters! An example, I could put on the deep layer that I want to suceed at work, and then BAM! The ultimate will! Everything I do and think is tunneled throught that!
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Old December 4th, 2012, 18:14   #2 (permalink)
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Hi tomoulevue and welcome to the community

I can understand both your English and your Excitement very clearly

Here are a couple of links I think you will find very interesting:-

Principles of Meditation & Entrainment

Brainwave States

I would love to hear your comments once you have read through them and wish you an abundance of peace and joy
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Old December 9th, 2012, 09:42   #3 (permalink)
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Been trying everyday since, and always topped at the 'edge' of getting that again. Its like a state between 'normal' and that... when I come close I lose focus and have to try again.

This since today. I finally got that again. It is something amazing, impossible to put into words. I was getting close and coming back and then I thought 'i give up' and forgot about everything. Few time after that, it came. It was very much like what happened before... felt like waking up. The first few seconds are very ecstatic, like feeling waves going throught the body, a lot of things happening at the same time, and then losing the knowledge of it. What is left is you and your head and this feeling of understanding, of beying a whole with everything. But again I couldnt appreciate that, I had time to barely notice that and lost the track. I couldn't hold it for more than (probably, felt like instantly) 5 seconds after the 'thing' settled; lost focus and came back to the 'edge' (witch is a good feeling, but nothing if compared to the event).

I read these topics about entrainment and brainwave states, its very interesting!

About that, do these 'states' I have been throught have something to do with the brainwave states? Does this have to do with something like: beying at alpha state and the event beying the transition to gamma? (no clue on that, I didnt have any class concerning brain waves, so this is a totally blind example)

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Old January 4th, 2013, 03:14   #4 (permalink)
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I hope the new year finds you happy and peaceful. By now you will probably have noticed that the experience of meditation varies with time, even if you keep a constant practice.

When we first start meditating - and especially when using "power tools" such as brainwave entrainment - it is normal to experience extraordinary effects. What they are varies from person to person, depending on our genes and our environment. These experiences however are not the most important part about a meditation practice. It is the effect over time, in which we become more whole. The different parts of our brains begin to communicate better with each other, as gradually new connections grow between them. As this happens, your early experiences may grow stronger - and they may fade, possibly to be replaced by different experiences.

The early experiences are often among the most intense, but they are not necessarily the most important. Over time you will change into a more complete, more aware and more resilient person. It is no wonder that cultures around the world have considered the effects of long-term meditation to be a divine miracle. It is truly amazing.
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