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Should I give a try on TM?

Discussion in 'Meditation Chatter Box' started by MLopes, Dec 20, 2007.

  1. MLopes

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    Hello everybody,

    I'm trully a begginer in meditation ... 2 weeks on Michael's course and 1 week with LifeFlow 10 :):):)
    It's very soon to talk about enlightment, but I definitively feel that LifeFlow helps me on meditation. I feel some effects on my brain and very relaxed. However, I tend to focus on the music and forget to repeat my mantra:confused: Is that wrong? Is there a "right mantra" for each person or can it be any word just to distract the mind?
    I have the opportunity to make a Transcendental Meditation course next week for 1/3 of the "usual price". It's still expensive and I have to decide until next weekend. I keep thinking that a TM teacher could improve my meditation results and give me support, but on the other hand I'm afraid to loose my money to discover that is no different or any better than my present learning process alone at home.
    Anyone has experience with TM and Michael's course that should care to give me their opinion?

    Merry Christmas to you all,
    Marta
     
  2. Raven

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    I will offer an opinion, and it relates to the TM technique. Back in the early days of TM, in the 60's, the founder, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi stated in his own written materials that the word you use for your mantra is completely and absolutely irrelevant. He said you could use something like the word "toaster" and it would work just as effectively as any other. I have his early written materials, and am not making this up.

    Later, as the TM group became more commercial all kinds of rules came into existence, like the need for a "personal mantra", chosen just for you that was the one you HAD to use if you wanted to see success. This is in direct contradiction to the Maharishi's own earlier writings, but the TM organization seems to have conveniently forgotten that.

    It turns out that the "personal mantra" you receive comes from a list, and is chosen for you based on what year it is you first take the course, and what year it was your particular instructor received his own instructor training. There is a list of mantras available on the internet now for all to see, posted by some former TM instructors who decided the TM group had simply gone too commercial, and had lost sight of the Maharishi's original intent.

    Also, his current instructors have a script they work from when they are "guiding and fine tuning" a new student. Again, I have the scripts, and am not exaggerating. They ask you a series of yes/no style questions. If you say one thing they respond with a scripted answer. If you answer the other way they reframe what you just said and tell you that's just what you should be feeling. There isn't any spiritual guidance going on. They are reading scripts. So if you're looking to them to give you help in some miraculous way, it isn't going to happen.


    Now, having said that, there are many very sincere people working in the TM organization. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's original ideas were very good. And his technique is very effective.

    But here is the best part. Having been inside of TM and having knowledge of the technique and exactly how it is taught, let me tell you that the meditation technique taught here at Project Meditation is virtually the same technique, stripped of any particular religious overtones, and Michael has been very honest in allowing people to choose mantras that feel right to them and not pretending to be able to give them a "magic mantra" that is all their own. In addition, the Project Meditation course is free. I don't know where you live, but in my neck of the words the TM course costs $2500.00 USD to learn now.

    If this review sounds critical of TM, keep in mind I am critical of the corporate commercialism that has invaded what began as a very worthwhile movement. As far as the TM technique goes, I have nothing but respect for it. But you have to ask yourself, do you really want to pay out all that money to learn the technique when Michael will teach it to you for free?

    ~Raven~
     
  3. DreadHead

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    in it's core, TM is one of the simplest forms of meditation, yet one that costs most to learn from instructors. while those instructors most of the time miss out on the essential points, like how maharishi reached his 'enlighened' state by loosing the ego etc. those things aren't easy to be taught, so you'll need a very good teacher, but those things aren't necessary for meditation either, so decide what you want to learn from TM..
    i have always thought it to be much more sufficient to read books by (for example) maharishi than to pay massive bucks for those lessons, and that way you can also personalise it, and fit it into your own way of thinking, instead of having a teacher telling you this is the only way..
     
  4. Whitefort

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    In addition to what others have said, I'd like to add that the book 'The Relaxation Response' (I forget the names of the authors), provided a lot of scientific data that just choosing any word that felt right and using it as a mantra produced all the benefits of TM.

    In the book, they suggested the word 'One' as nicely neutral and similar to 'Om'. It's been my main mantra ever since.

    The book is quite old - probably out of print by now! But it was what first started me on the Meditation road. Back then, I felt I needed something like TM, but I was a student and couldn't afford those crazy fees!

    I say all this without any disrespect to convinced TM'ers. In fact, I've just discovered that my favourite movie director is into TM in a big way, and has just released a book about it!

    But it's definitely possible to get the results without spending the cash.
     
  5. srikanthkris

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    hi yo

    lopes
    iam srikanthkris frm india.i hav been exposed to meditation from my school dayz rite frm the age of 15. i hav been doin meditation(on and off though)
    for the past 4yrs
    since i live in india i hav come across various forms of meditation .
    i started usin michel's meditation technique for the past 2 months and i feel more calm and relaxed than i have ever felt bfore.so keep continuing michel's
    technique

    i sincerely appreciate michel for allowing all of us to download his meditation technique for free.

    meditation in simple words is to be aware of oneself

    and michel is creating a revolution by giving us users a chance to feel and learn meditation and to taste its fruit for free

    thank you michel thanks a lot for all that u hav done an u r doin
    i hope all the users agree with all these:)
     
  6. MLopes

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    about TM

    Thanks Raven for your long explanation. I have done some research on internet about TM and found information in agreement with what you just said. This TM teacher I spoke with charges 400€ for the course, including future support whenever I needed (the standard price in Portugal is 1200€). It's a fact that I already attended an introduction session and it seemed like a script. The main benefit of that course would be to be able to check my progress with an experienced teacher once in while and join other people every saturday for a group meditation (if I whish) - the teacher says that the resulting effect is much better. Any of you guys have experienced group meditation, is it more intense somehow?

    I think this TM teacher is a very nice and sincere ladie without any religious extremisms or interpretations. Nevertheless I wouldn't like to pay more than 100-200€ for joining a TM group.

    I'm very enthusiastic with Michael's course and LifeFlow music. And it's for free!!! Everyday I look forward for my meditation moments.

    But going back to my previous question, do you guys forget to repeat the mantra like I do when listening to LifeFlow? It's so absorving and calming...

    Best wishes,
    Marta
     
  7. Michael Mackenzie

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    Hi Marta

    "But going back to my previous question, do you guys forget to repeat the mantra like I do when listening to LifeFlow? It's so absorbing and calming..."

    Marta, in the beginning it's very easy to forget to use your mantra if you have other distractions (LifeFlow). It's a new experience and you should try not to worry about it. Try not to try too hard!

    I would suggest you focus on your mantra meditation solely for a couple of weeks before beginning LifeFlow. This way, you can become confident and happy with your mantra meditation before combining LifeFlow.

    I honestly believe you have all you need to succeed right here in this community. Discover Meditation has already helped thousands of people to make great changes and now you will get the help and guidance of others in the community.

    With regards to your time sensitive offer for TM. If you don’t achieve fantastic results through this community and you feel you must try and learn TM, I am sure you will get another special offer when you are ready.

    I hope this helps with your choice. Michael :)

    One more thing... I have meditated in groups and by myself and have experienced my deepest and most rewarding meditation sessions on my own. That's just my experience!
     
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  8. Raven

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    Meditation groups & LifeFlow

    The instructor you mention may be very sincere and well intentioned. I think there are a lot of people within the TM organization who are. However, as your web searching no doubt uncovered, there are people leaving the TM organization because they believe that the organization as a whole has elevated commercial profits over helping people improve the quality of their lives. I agree with that observation, but remember, that's just my opinion. Others my feel different.

    Michael said he prefers to meditate in private rather than in a group. That's my preference as well, but I know others who swear they feel their meditation more powerfully when there is a collective effort going on. That leads me to believe that for some people it works better alone, and for others the process is enhanced by meditating in a group. You might want to try both and see which camp you fall in. From a practical standpoint it is certainly easier to find time for meditation alone than it is to coordinate it with a group of people, all of whom have their own lives and schedules that would have to be rearranged to accomodate a group meditation period.

    Here's a suggestion for you. Get a friend or two or maybe some family members and have them sign up at Project Meditation. Use them as your own meditation group. Have them practice meditation by themselves, and then come together from time to time and practice it together. Once you've tried both ways a few times and have a feel for the experience, share your results here on the forum. I would be very interested to hear how it plays out, both for you and for the others in your group. You will always have the group here on the forum for support and to help you with your questions and share experiences. That is the idea of the Pali word "Sangha"; a community of like-minded people who mutually support each other, such as the Plum Village community established in France by Thich Nhat Hahn.

    A final note on your LifeFlow experience. When you say you "forget" your mantra, do you mean you get distracted by the sounds in the LifeFlow track and start following them instead, or do you mean your mantra fades in and out of your mind with moments of relative mental quiet inbetween?

    Michael, correct me if I'm wrong here, but in the mantra technique, isn't the mantra supposed to come and go, sometimes change a little, get louder then softer in your mind, and things like that if you're performing the technique effortlessly, as it should be performed?

    ~Raven~
     
  9. Michael Mackenzie

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    Raven

    Raven, you're correct on that point :)

    I think Marta tends to focus on the music on LifeFlow and forgets to use a mantra at all.

    Is this correct Marta?

    If this is the case Marta, I think it would be wise to just practice your mantra meditation technique on it's own to begin with!

    If you're not forgetting to use your mantra completely and it's just that it seems to come and go, this is quite normal and nothing to be concerned about.

    Michael :)
     
  10. MLopes

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    Hi Mickael and Raven,

    Sorry for the delay on the reply. Christmas preparations... lol
    I followed Michael's advise and meditated yesterday and today morning without LifeFlow and the good news is that I feel it worked.

    I think I have experienced both situations. The first times I was listening to FifeFlow maybe I was focusing on music and trying to identify all those beautiful sounds. But I always start with my mantra and go back to it when I forget it for a while.

    By the way, I decided to postpone the TM course. I'm really enthusiastic with this material and I can save the money for other useful things.

    have a Merry Christmas
    Marta
     
  11. John

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    If I recall correctly 'The Relaxation Response'was written by Herbert Benson-give a physiological explanation for the benefits of "relaxation ' techniques
     
  12. David

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    TM

    I have been meditating for 20 minutes twice a day for over 20 years using TM. It is the single most essential aspect of my daily life and the making of me! Even when I learnt the fee seemed steep but no amount of money could now put a valuation on it for me over all those years.
    Since the fees were put up some years agao and the TM movement was suspended for a couple of years until 2007, I looked at other types of meditation as I regularly come across people who need meditation techniques to help them with their lives and stress etc. These other techniques - buddhist, yoga, zen etc using various supports are lovely and of benefit but for me they don't approach the depth and contact with absolute being that I get from TM.
    I am presently reading an autobiography of Maharishi by Paul Mason. It appears to give an independant, non-Movement view of his Movement since the 50's and a lot of detail about the teaching of TM and the mantra. I am undernoting an extract from the book that may help:

    "Maharishi applied himself to the task of unravelling the mysteries of mantra selection in general and for householders in particular and then confidently offering them up for mass consumption. The Maharishi's students were on this course to learn how to teach others how to meditate and of the many things they had to learn, the complex ritual of initiation was not the least. All were eager to hear the Master's view of the subject as he pointed out to them that the 'body of the effect [of initiation] is from the sequence of instructions, but the sanctity of the whole situation is contributed by this [ceremony]'. The 'sequence' of the ceremony or puja, involves the offering of various items such as rice, water, cloth, fruit and flowers, and in addition requires the initiator's 'one-pointedness' of mind. The ritual offerings are accompanied by the singing of Sanskrit verses in praise of the 'Holy Tradition', former teachers of meditation.
    The growth of Being in the field of activity is the direct result of words spoken, hands moving and the mind floating in meaning and getting serene and serene and serene and serene and serene. By the time we have done so many things, moving the hands and words coming out and mind on the meaning, item after item, there are about sixteen items. By the time the whole thing goes, the whole mind is settling down deep and by the time we just prostrate, the mind gets to that deep state of silence within and it sings ... 'Good initiators'.
    The new initiate is only a witness to this ritual and is not asked to become involved. At the conclusion of the ceremony, the initiator becomes silent for some moments and then begins to intone the sound or mantra that is to be used by the initiate. The Maharishi tried to explain this process:

    Just in that one momentary bowing down, just sink into That. And the deeper they are to pick up the mantra, more effective is the mantra and then they speak the mantra and then they lead that mantra back to the same situation, the same depth from where it was picked up and this circle being complete is called “initiation”.

    This last statement is very revealing in that it yields a deep insight into aspects of mantra theory. The Maharishi was contending that beyond the limits of our limited range of hearing there exist certain subtle sounds. These sounds are those, which are given as mantras. They are perceived as somehow more blessed than ordinary sounds and are therefore highly effective at settling the human nervous system. The puja ceremony is conducted in order to attune the initiator's mind to “pick up” these sounds. Having done so, clear and effective communication of the chosen sound or mantra to the new initiate is possible. This might lead one to infer that anybody whose mind is sufficiently purified would have the capacity to recognize these mantras and to impart them to others. In reality, however, initiators are not expected to hear the mantras, but are given a list of them along with formal instructions regarding their choice and pronunciation."

    Incidentally I will be passing on Project-Meditation to all those I meet who want to learn to Meditatate but can't afford the Movement price.
     
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  13. pmaia

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    Hi! About TM in Portugal

    Hi Marta!

    I am from Lisbon and i have been curious about TM but the person I talked to told me I had to pay 1200 euros for the course... Its too much for me. But i would really like to try that technique because its very hard for me to focus, altough I have been trying life flow and i'm getting better at it. Anyway, I wonder if you can give the contact of the teacher you talked to, or maybe give her my email ([email protected]), so i can talk to her.

    Best regards and happy new year!!!

    patricia
     
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    Patricia

    I noticed that you've not downloaded 'Discover Meditation' yet?

    You will not learn a better mantra meditation technique than what you have access to here:

    Click here to unlock Discover Meditation.

    TM is a simple mantra meditation course! I agree with others, it does work fantastic but why pay thousands when you can use Micheals mantra course for free?

    PW ;)
     
  15. John

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    Hi Michael - I am new to the meditative/m,antra process --from the above - do I gather correctly that when listening to life flow , one should focus on and repeat one's mantra at the same time (trying to keep other thoughts out )and not focus on the sounds and visualise
    Thanks
    John
     
  16. Ras

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    hey john

    Both methods will work. First time i used lifeflow I didnt use my mantra at the same time... after a few days I started to use my mantra however. I switch a bit..sometimes I meditate with, sometimes without :)
     
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    hi there..

    i am a novice when in comes to meditation and i have read bout transcendental meditation . could anyone teach me how to download the techniques here . I can't seem to find it .

    thanks .
     
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    Hi Ras

    What are the main differences you become aware? Thanks.
     
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    Hi Ras

    What are the main differences you become aware of when you use or don't use your mantra? Thanks.
     

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