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Question about headphones

Discussion in 'Meditation Chatter Box' started by WeeHoo, Feb 27, 2009.

  1. WeeHoo

    WeeHoo Member

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    Quick question: What the heck? I've been using earbuds for my meditations, but in today's email from Michael I see that he says earbuds don't work with the LF technology. I can purchase the Sony MDR-XD200s that are recommended on the website, but...do I really need to? Thanks for your input.
     
  2. Panthau

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    Hm, i dont understand why they should not work?!
    I used them also at the beginning, now im using a Gamer Headset.

    Hopefully someone can clear that up.
     
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    Sony MDR-XD200s headphones

    Hi all,
    I had purchased the Sonys that were recommended on the forum. An issue that I had with them was that they "creaked". By that I mean that intermittently the phones would transfer an annoying noise from the plastic shells that enclose the speakers. These "creaks" would follow any slight head movement. I finally resolved the "creaks" by placing (rather unsightly) pieces of adhesive tape around the four hinge points where the "shell" pieces are attached to the head strap section in order to prevent any friction at these points.

    I do not mind "unsightly" as now there is no "side effects" while I use the headphones. My thoughts are that perhaps the design or materials were changed since they were initially recommended on this site.

    Another point to mention...I thought of using the adhesive (clear) tape on the hinges to try to "kill the creaks" at the time that I taped the switches on each ear shell side into permanent "music" position as I had realized that simple handling of the headphones over time had forced the switches into "movie mode" (as the switches "position friction hold" is not firm enough).

    take care

    jim
     
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    I saw the email as well. I am using HP laptop headphones. They are stereo, not the pilot type in that they do cover my ears and have a clip around the ear to hold in place. sound quality is great and not sure why they are not acceptable for use. hopefully it will be cleared up as i want the full benefit of the meditation
     
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    I have been using scullcandy inkd earbuds from the beginning and they seem to be really good (at least for regular music). I don`t understand why they wouldn`t work with lifeflow...
     
  6. Victoria99

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    Me too

    I also had this question after receiving Michael's recent email.

    If I have to get "pilot" headphones, are there any other brand/model recommendations?

    Vee
     
  7. Hope & Teresa

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    Earbuds

    I started on LF 10 using an inexpensive set of wireless RCA headphones that cover the ears, but they were cumbersome and creaked with every movement. I, too have been using my Ipod with earbuds starting with 8 and just imported 7 to it yesterday. I hope someone has a difinitive answer and reasons soon.
    :confused:
    Hope
     
  8. Bhavya

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    Like all of you, I also use earbuds because I found them to be the most comfortable and they have a nice balance of sound. I chose them because I'm alone in the house when I meditate and I wanted to be able to hear if someone was at the front door. But maybe that's not a good thing.

    My guess is that pilot type earphones block out more ambient sound so that you 'enter' into the world of the soundtrack more completely. I don't know if that's the reasoning behind Michael's suggestion but like you all, I'd like to know for sure. :cool:

    I'd also like to know of a good pair that doesn't squeak since that seems to be an issue as well!

    Help???

    Bhavya
     
  9. pollyanna

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    Hi there, I will make sure Michael is aware of this thread - Something is telling me that I think he may be away for a couple of days.

    I have always used Sony MDR-XD200s headphones which I've had for years so that may be why they don't creak - either that or I have not noticed. Until Michael answers, if whatever you are using is giving you results, then carry on.

    I don't use ear buds with my ipod when listening to anything because I find them uncomfortable, however that's just me - I know many people use them and are very happy with them and yes, they are stereo.

    I'm sure Michael will post here as soon as he becomes aware of these queries. He's probably just making sure you get the best results, Have a great day, peace and joy to you :) :) :)
     
  10. Michael Mackenzie

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    Clarification for Headphones

    Headphones which automatically make bass and/or pitch adjustments
    should be avoided for exactly the same reason you do not apply
    mega-bass boost and stereo surround filters and such.

    While it is possible to use ear buds with LifeFlow tracks and still get good
    results, because of the way binaural waves work they may present a problem
    that over the ear headphones avoid altogether.

    Avoiding this problem is the reason I suggest that over the ear headphones
    are preferable.

    The issue has to do only with the binaural wave form. Remember that for
    this type of sound wave to do its job of entrainment, the exact moment the
    sounds strike both left and right ear drums must be precisely controlled.

    When dealing with entrainment frequencies of between 1 and 10Hz (i.e., an
    extremely small difference in frequency) it takes very little variation in
    delivery to change a 1Hz track to a 3 or 4Hz track, etc., by simply placing
    the buds at uneven angles within the ear canal.

    A slight variation in placement may mean the difference between receiving
    the entrainment waves accurately, and causing an unintended shift in
    frequency. Also, for many people the ear bud headphones become a little
    uncomfortable after being in for a few minutes and there is a natural,
    almost unconscious tendency to reach up and make slight adjustments fairly
    frequently to alleviate this discomfort.

    This may result in additional changes to the frequency and in some instances
    people might even twist the sound outlet of the speaker such that the sound
    is blocked or partially blocked by the wall of the ear canal causing further
    degradation of the entrainment waves.

    Over the ear headphones, by contrast, remain far more fixed in their
    positioning with respect to the eardrums and have none of the problem of
    being twisted to cause blockage of sound.

    They have the added benefit due to coverage of the ear of blocking out more
    of the outside noises and providing a less distracting environment for
    meditation. This is especially helpful to those struggling already with
    distractions such as racing thoughts, bodily sensations like itching,
    tingling, limbs falling asleep, swaying, or the distracting phenomena that
    occasionally arise during meditation like seeing light flashes, color
    swirls, feelings of heat/energy moving through various parts of the body,
    etc.

    Avoiding excess distractions from outside noises by using headphones that
    cover the ear may be a prudent step in helping to reduce overall levels of
    distraction.

    Ear buds may be used if one takes precautions to circumvent the potential
    drawbacks, but using over the ear headphones is simpler and more efficient
    for most people.

    Hope this helps clarify the recommendations I suggest for your optimum
    benefits.

    Michael :)
     
  11. WeeHoo

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    Thanks, Michael. I appreciate your explanation and I'll put those pilot-style earphones on my shopping list.
     
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    Technical specs

    Hello Michael,

    There is a question I've been asking my self
    In the presentation of the Technical specification of any headphone, one is about Frequency Response. For Sony MDR-XD200, the Frequency Response is bewteen 10Hz - 22,000Hz. This means the frequency genereated by the headphones starts from 10 Hz and goes to 22000, and the brain is responding to this freqs???????

    Because of this I bought some Panasonic heads that are from 8 Hz to 20,000 Hz in order to be able to listen at least the fist 3 CDs without any problem. The Alpha brain waves range is from 8 to 12.9 Hz, so my heads should do.
    Is my conclusion right or the Frequency Response is about something else? I'm not a very technical and o might be making the wrong conclusion.

    Wishing you the best frequecyes:),
    Ovidiu.
     
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    Michael, thank you for your explanation as to the preferrability of of over-the-ear headphones. Now I still would like conclusive clarity regarding the specifications in Hz range I have to consider when looking for a new set. The low frequencies (Hz) seem to be a discussion point. Possibly you could also add one or two examples of suitable types as a reference. Thank you, Daan
     
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    Headphone frequencies........

    Hey Daaniel and Ovidiu,


    The carrier frequencies of the LifeFlow series are between 30Hz or 60Hz. Most headphones have a frequency range of 20Hz to 20,000Hz or even 22,000Hz. So, when you are purchasing your headphones, just make sure they go as low as 20Hz and you will be just fine.

    Hope that helps !!!!!

    :D
     
  15. Edwin

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    I think that people confuse frequency and resonance. The frequency doesn't go lower than 30, but the resonance frequency might. however the resonance is made in our brain, not in the headphone.

    But I am a layman so who knows :p
     
  16. Ovidiu

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    Hz and Hz

    Hello Jodie, Hello Edwin,

    Thanx a lot for makeing the difrence between the two: frequency and resonace. When I bought my headphones I stayed link an hour and a half just to be shure I'm not taking the wrong ones :D.

    Ovidiu
     
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    Jodie and Edwin,
    Thanks for your help.
    Daan
     
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    I went out and bought the pilot-style headphones. They do make a difference. I just wish I'd known about the down side of earbuds before buying them last fall! Grumble grumble.........
     
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    Thanks for the info, Michael.

    Lucky me, as i always used good over-the-ear-headphones :)
     

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