Principles of Meditation & Entrainment

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  1. ru123th

    ru123th Member

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    congratulations

    I want to congratulate you for your sincerity and honesty,now with feet on the groung I think people will reap the benefits of meditation more and more and will realize that any entertaiment is just an aid to accomplish statres that are inherent not only to humans but all any linig creature and will thus enjoy and be able to progresively enter into those states at will with the help of their own inner being,of course entertemeint makes it fun also, so I hope many do use life flow, as it is nice ,the sounds which are around nature allows to make the connection so much fun, thank you and congratulations AGAIN. LOTS OF LOVE RUTH
     
  2. Imagineallthepeople

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    Ta Tsu Wa, Thank you

    Thank you for your insights in meditation. As a very inexperienced meditator, I should find these quite helpful. These insights are worth sharing with others and well worth people's time to sit down and really study and think about them.:)

    As to your mention of secular humanists and atheists...I understood you to indicate that it takes a belief in a god or divine intelligence to have increased "oneness" and richness of life and less fear of death.

    I define atheism simply as "without god/s". In short: for an atheist, there IS no god. This is not to say there is no realm beyond that which is accessible to the 5 senses. The universe is richer in dimensions than we've been able to imagine at certain points in human evolution. But through history we've continued to discover new realms, inspite of the obstacles of philosophical/political/religious dogmas.

    #1, there are some of us atheists that DO feel a deep connection with all things. #2, some atheists DO experience relationship with an intelligent Universe (mostly in a Spinozan sense). #3, most of us definately do NOT rely upon dogma and quite frankly do NOT feel any need for it. #4, there ARE atheists in foxholes and no, we have no reason to fear death. Death is simply part of life and the common human experience of it to an atheist makes life all that more precious. Whether or not there is life after death...well, we'll know when we get there, won't we? Certainly there is no harm in hoping that there is a nice afterlife...but, I'm not holding my breath! ;) #5, yes, there are those of us atheists that DO experience a great appreciation for and sense of relationship with others. I'm a caregiver for the elderly and people with disabilities. And I care greatly for them, even when they manifest abusive behaviors. I also love my parents regardless of their physical abuse of me as a child. My love is unconditional. :)

    Kind Regards, ImagineAllThePeople
     
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  3. Marquis

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    Sticking with it...

    Thanks so much for pulling all these threads together - great and inspiring reading.

    I came across (and subscribed to monthly downloads from) Lifeflow in August 2010 and am currently on Lifeflow4. I had many misconceptions about what Lifeflow on its own would do for me. I had never meditated before and somehow got the impression that listening to the tracks daily for 40 minutes would be the same as meditation. Michael's marketing material is very persuasive and phrases along the lines of "experience blissful sensations within 8 minutes" and "enter the same brainwave state as someone with 20 years of meditation experience" had me hooked. If there was material available advising me to meditate at the same time, I skipped it or missed it or forgot it in my rush to try out Lifeflow 10...

    I wish I had read your post when I started, because I think I would be further along the journey by now. When I first listened, I expected to be transported into some realm of consciousness that was very different to "normal" and be meditating without realising it - in fact, I would usually just fall asleep or, on occasions, just follow the racing thoughts in my head. I would finish the session feeling relaxed but convinced that I wasn't fully "getting it" yet. I believe I am now calmer on a day-to-day basis than before - and that is just by listening passively to Lifeflow with no attempt at meditation.

    Reading this thread has reassured me that my "efforts" have not been wasted, I have been "priming the pump". What I intend to do now is try to meditate - both with & without entrainment. And I will stick with Lifeflow 3, 2 & 1.

    Thanks again!
     
  4. jgerard7

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    Hi Ta-tsu-wa,

    Thank you for the detailed explanation on the principles of meditation & entrainment. It's simply awesome. Just one request, could they be put together for printing purposes? Would like to keep the info in my personal file, just like what I'm doing for the support emails from Michael.

    Thanks.

    Joseph
     
  5. seatoncliffs

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    Many thanks

    Being relatively new to Project Meditation I and first time on the Forum I found just what I was looking for in your careful and detailed clarifications: I realised I needed to understand why I have 4 free CDs introducing me to meditation and techniques to realise that state, alongside the purchased series of Brain entrainment CDs. The relationship between the two activities had not been made clear to me till now, though it's possible I missed it somewhere.
    Thanks for your time and care.
     
  6. Rongo

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    Do we need them?...

    Basically, many so-called "brainwave programs" and "audio meditation entrainments" may work or not depending on personal state of the person, his mind, biology, conditioning, etc. Often people rely on some "automated" technique not wanting themselves to apply some effort of a thought to improve their situation, which is a sign of inmaturity and unwilingness to take a responsibility for your life. If you look at basics of the meditation in eastern traditions, you'll see that they always put stress on personal effort in attaining liberation. Even Buddha himself said that "you are the only one who can save yourself, no one else can do it but you".

    Our "technology" oriented society offers too much "automations" which make people dependable and looking for a "magic pill" somewhere outside of their own, which is a mistake. We need to understand deep meaning of meditation and our own psyche in order to achieve any feasible success in this area. While some "audio entrainments" may be of help, we should never rely on them totally and better base our hopes on personal enquiry and experience in meditation, along with studying some basics that came to us from ancient times.
     
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    That was a fantastic read. Just getting my feet wet, and this explained a lot of things for me. Thank You!
     
  8. Storymuse

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    Incredibly helpful

    Thank you so much for your thread! This is the first time that I have finally "gotten it" on all aspects of meditating with LifeFlow. Yes, I am one of those who thought that listening to a track with my eyes closed and sitting very still was enough to help me enter meditation. Sometimes it did, but other times my busy mind kept chattering for the first 10 minutes or so. Interestingly, even just listening to a track without specifically using a meditation technique rarely failed to quiet my mind, help me relax, and make me feel better physically and emotionally. Something about just being still perhaps…

    By the way, you're a great writer -- very informative and succinct.
     
  9. simpy3

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    Some of this was okay, some was also just tripe too.
     
  10. pollyanna

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    Hi Simpy3 and welcome to the community :)

    was quite surprised to see your comment, still it's always good to hear another perspective. Can you elaborate more on which principles you thought were tripe?

    I would be interested particularly as it's a thread that has helped many people and I recommend it quite often.

    Look forward to hearing your perspective and wish you much peace and joy :) :) :)
     

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