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Postcard on the way back from the edge

Discussion in 'Meditation Chatter Box' started by Coenrad Morgan, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. Coenrad Morgan

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    Hi Chris, Keith,

    Keith, that meeting is bound to happen in this life or after, if after is the case, being from Montana, bring a fiddle or a banjo ……..I’m not big on the traditional harp view of the here-after….either way, looking forward to it….loved the pictures on your site…I take it that pretty chunk of rolling never ending green is Montana?

    It’s good to meet others who have read a lot and can share perspectives learned from all over the place, its very frustrating knowing about something but not being able to connect the dots in a practical sense, its like sitting inside the car reading the manual but having no key.

    I hear you on the troubled bit but challenges are rather useful and if seen correctly, necessary for us to move forward don’t you think?….….you can lie around and have your ear to the ground all you like listening to the Buffalo coming, but unless you get up and do something, your going to get stomped Pocahontas….ask Keith…Montana used to he teaming with the big hairy beasties….to some that was a majestic sight, to others that meant several metric tons of Buffalo pats to avoid stepping in….coping I think, starts with seeing things objectively and MindFlow really helps getting you out of your own way, that seems to be your view also, I’m only talking from a 3 day perspective.

    A lot of what you read is interesting but when the rubber meets the road…there you are up the creek with one paddle in hand trying to turn your own personal Titanic around chanting….”there are no icebergs, there are no icebergs”, now don’t get me wrong, ancient texts speak of Masters like Jesus and those possessing so called “Sidi” awareness in India who could probably pull that one off….Me….I’d be the red smear they would scrape off the ice in a program like CSI Arctic Ocean…..cause of death…..Paper Tiger Syndrome……”full of sound and fury, signifying nothing” !

    A lot of the information one processes is very interesting and great for when your dead, you have a head start on the spirit 101 exam but wouldn’t it be nice to be able to reliably use the information to improve ones existence and understanding before you drop the meat suit? So you read everything you can get your hands on, your pumped, you see the light….70 Metric Tons of Freight train later, your reality check is complete and its hard to shake the head-ache, as for the resultant bad hair day…..don’t get me started.

    One can see many parallels between modern day, dogma devoid spirituality and martial arts. Movements like Mixed Martial Arts explore the strengths and weaknesses of any system, adopt what works for a given practitioner, dump what doesn’t, the military Specialist Units have been doing that for years, is it easy to learn, is it in the natural range of movement, is it effective under the worst conditions, if so they spend time training it, if not…..?

    So where doing okay it seems on the information collection side of things but where the rubber meets the road?

    As Aja and others put it upstream from this post…..are we clear on what we are wanting from this trip in this meat suit on a rock hurtling around the sun at 18.5 miles/sec (30 km/sec) ….then you need to get down to the business of focusing on achieving it…the afore mentioned Buffalo don’t play nicely when their stampeding………neither does life, best thing to do get out their and its way, best thing for the guy in the meat suit…get out of your own way and I believe that LifeFlow is the tool of choice here, at least that’s my current view from my perspective based on what I have experienced……..stampeding thought can very easily trample the seedling of enlightenment we all have…and by enlightenment, as I understand it to be….seeing things as they really are, on all levels without judgment or resistance and acting from there.

    As for the comment about discipline, your so right, things improve so you don’t feel the urgency…I’ll do it tomorrow, next week, next month, new year I’ll start….next thing you know there’s that light again, you brace for the impact but no freight train….you get told to stand in queue “A” to hand in your meat suit, then go to queue “B” to pick up your harp…(Keith, don’t forget the fiddle, I don’t know if I can stand harp music for eternity!) .GAME OVER, opportunity lost. But that’s the gift of suffering….it wont let you stop striving until you awaken and no longer need it.

    But we must take heart, it’s not over until its over, Chris as a countryman of yours said ….”They have tied me to a stake; I cannot fly, But, bear-like, I must fight the course. What's he That was not born of woman? Such a one Am I to fear, or none.”
    Now CLEARLY anyone who read his work would know that Shakespeare couldn’t even speak English :rolleyes:but he became one of the greats of English literature, his work still sells, his famous AND DEAD for hundreds of years…..if he can pull that one off against those odds, I’d say our chances are pretty good of achieving anything were truly committed to.

    So batten down the hatches and lets get HMS DontPanic underway at full speed, but for now number one, lets give the icebergs a wide berth….and MindFlow in Conjunction with what Michael taught us in the Discover Meditaion FREE Course our full attention….it works…gets the icebergs in the head out of the way of your dreams…every day in every way, I’m getting better and better……
     
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  2. Edwin

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    Oh my now look at what you made me do....

    This is the very first time since I joined this forum in the early days, that I am forced to quote myself:

    Looking at what you have written down here, humerous, amusing, moving, startling....














    Have you ever considered writing ? :eek:
     
  3. Coenrad Morgan

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    Goie naand my gooie Vriend!!

    Hello Edwin,

    What's going on in your Kitchen...had some dutch food a while back at a food fair....cant remember the name, round meatballs coated in crumbs....LEGENDARY!!

    I thought alot about what you said ( believe me, it got in the way of the mantra to the extent where I had to politely and lovingly tell my mind to SHUT THE @~#* UP!), and AJA backed you up, this is the first time I have publicly written things other than a mass of soppy, romantic stuff to those I cared about...as I'm single, we know how that went! ;)

    I wouldnt say no to an opportunity like that I guess....:cool:

    How are you doing....I'm honorary Captain of my own personal Titanic but yours seems to be a U-Boat.....have you come up for air yet....are you doing any better....worry about you?
     
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  4. Edwin

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    I think you mean "Bitterballen" ;) they are a short version of the Croquette. Basically they are round balls coated with breadcrumb, then deepfried, filled with a soft meat based ragout.
    If you ever go past charring toast and burning water, here is the recipe : Dutch kroketten and bitterballen. In both Dutch and English :)
    I am right in the middle of ascending for a deep breath, after which I will probably be forced to dive again for some time, if only to make sure the "minehunters" won't find me ;) But actually I had some very nice orders this week, and I have a very nice order from the Dutch Royal Navy that doesn't suck :). I may be able to pay some bills this month :D not all, but a lot !

    Thanks for caring m8 :)
     
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    umm..your story inspired me indeed,Edwin
     
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    Coenrad, copy that, avoid the icebergs and buffalo pats. Or at least stand back and watch them from a safe distance!

    Sounds good to me! :D

    Take care,

    Chris
     
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  7. pollyanna

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    Sail on

    Coenrad, master of your ship, I'm happy for you although I wish you would give your ship another name. :eek: As you captain your ship, if any icebergs appear remember they are only illusions. Whatever emotions they create in you just be aware of them, allow them to surface and just be and watch them as they begin to disapear :) Keep fanning the flicker of your dream until it becomes a burning desire.

    I hope you journey to six destinations:-

    First the island of "Peace of mind" without finding this island none of the other destinations will mean as much.

    Secondly the island of health and energy

    Thirdly the land of loving relationships

    Fourth the land of financial freedom (having enough money to not be preoccupied on where the money for the next bills will come from)

    Fifth a quiet place to decide what clear goals and worthy ideals you believe in and choose to commit to

    and finally your sixth destination of fulfilling your true potential and then when you hand over your meat suit you will have fulfilled your purpose.

    Yes, I believe you really can achieve all this with the amazing tool of LifeFlow. Enjoy your amazing journey :) :) :)
     
  8. Coenrad Morgan

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    Freight Train Road Kill

    Hi Pollyanna,

    Having read so many of your posts, yours was one of the first I read, it’s nice to get some direct feedback from someone who “walks the walk”, what you have managed to manifest is second only to the wisdom you dish out in other threads. Edwin and yourself go toe to toe with some intellectual heavyweights and speak your own truth clearly and plainly….no cerebral sparing, just experience and insight, thank you.

    The quoted text came as a signboard, and your absolutely right, your lake or forest would be meaningless without it, so it is for all of us.

    I said I was doing this thread as a “case study” in the hopes that others will benefit, therefore it must be truthful.

    Having seen “the light”, I failed to look behind me as the foolishness of my past came racing up. That freight train was carrying my past baggage and ran straight over me, last night was really hard. It has been years since I have had such a bout of utter despair and torment, I just wanted to get out of my head…….it was extremely powerful and dark, I’m still not over it.

    For those not familiar with Chemical Depression – Uni-polar like myself or Bi-polar; its not like the blues or feeling down, you can feel it coming like a cold and there’s NOTHING you can do about it, its like a lead coat descending onto your shoulders, positive thoughts don’t work because the mind you need to think with has turned on itself, its like being possessed, your trapped and you cant help yourself, the “you” in your head is it and its hell-bent on your misery, maybe it’s the “pain body” Eckhart Tolle talks of, for some suicide is the only way to escape it, for others alcohol, drugs etc., you cant think your way out of it while it’s happening, your brain is on the blink. I cant speak from experience but I believe its like what many woman experience with severe PMS or Post Natal Depression, it consumes you.

    I know from reading Michael’s posts and more recently Chris’s that there is a clearing process, a sort of Detox of the mind that is necessary and also very individual (even though there seem to be many common experiences like soreness, agitation / mood swings etc.), it’s part of the process and this is where the rubber meets the road. Are you really committed to change, are you really tired of “your story”, do you really want to develop yourself and become more you than just a “story”, do you want to be fully and authentically YOU, maybe for the first time in your life?

    The journey is hard but as any marathon runner will tell you, at some point it gets too-much, you think about quitting, all you have to do is stop but that means you have to remain where you are, you will never reach the finish line. For those who’s belief system includes or can even accept that re-incarnation might be possible, that simply means that you will have to start the race again next time or later this life….DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT TORMENTS YOU AGAIN….or do you want to keep going and finish it this time?

    (For those with suicidal teenagers, this argument is a life saver, my Mom dropped it on me decades ago, the thought that re-incarnation may be true is enough to scratch suicide off the list, even the irrational mind during depressive episodes can’t deal with that thought, so much so that even under the heaviest episodes of depression, it doesn’t present itself to me as an option.)

    To those reading this, looking for a silver bullet and finding what I am experiencing to be negative…….my race isn’t over……..the glimpses of what awaits me at the finish line that I have experienced through what Project Meditation has taught me are enough to make me want to keep going …..I was young and a soldier once, then I was 86569571BG, 7 South African Infantry Battalion, foolishly willing to die for the lies and political delusions of others……isn’t it time to fight for something and this time be willing to LIVE for the cause as apposed to die…isn’t it time to fight for the truth…isn’t it time to drop the serial number and become a fully fledged, fully capable Human consciously in touch with Being?........lets see what happens, I want to but I’m NOT Quitting!

    Thank you again Pollyanna, Chris, one and all..
     
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  9. Montana Keith

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    Coenrad,
    It's me again. Just read you're latest post. Thank you. I'm like you. Giving up is not an option. Being I'm from the United States, I was raised in the Christian tradition. And even though I no longer choose to be active in organized religion, words from the bible keep coming up in remembrance. I continue to feel hope and be inspired by the words attributed to one "Jesus of Nazareth" in the New Testament. Here's what came to mind after I read your post.

    From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. (John 6:66-69)

    Apparently these disciples had also experienced something--something so powerful that turning back was no longer seen as an option to them. They didn't know what lay ahead, but pressing forward through the darkness and difficult times was the thing they were inspired to do.

    Happy journeying and best wishes as we all continue forward in consciousness. --Keith :)
     
  10. Coenrad Morgan

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    Houston, Tranquility base........the turkey has landed..

    Hi Keith,

    Thank you for sharing that Keith as also who you are behind the online Avatar.

    I was raised in the same tradition so I get where your coming from, I left that tribe not because I disagreed with the teaching but because I wanted to know the source of it personaly, experience it myself, not through priests, Imam's, Rabi's or preachers even though they serve a crucial role in pointing the way.

    In the end its a personal journey back to source in order to commune with source, what ever label you wish to give it.......:) Having read extensively, Meditation and contemplation stand head and shoulders above any other tool, having identified the tool, Discover Meditation and LifeFlow provide me with it.......dying is easy, living is hard.....truly living is something I now consider to be an eventuality, I must just keep at it......tools are meant to be used.......the rest is up to me..

    Thank you for sharing
     
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  11. Edwin

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    I have seen depression from the inside and the outside.

    The inside:
    When I was a child, kids used to torment me at school up to a point where suicide even crossed my mind, mind you, I was about 8
    It took me until I was 17 to overcome this, and I started to feel really good about myself about 7 years ago, even tho my current money troubles didn't exactly help.

    The outside:
    My wife has been in and out of it ever since my father in law comitted suicide 8 years ago, and not only that, his genes might have rubbed off a bit on her.

    I read the quoted section over and over a few times, and I only read 2 options.

    1st option:
    Battle the upcoming dark depression by trying to have positive thoughts

    2cnd option:
    Give up on everything

    The one I am missing is the one that might bring salvation to you

    3rd option??

    Acceptance

    To accept whatever feeling you have as being a real emotion, and by accepting it, smiling at it even, you might even be able to forget about medication in time. My wife has been on the same medication you have ( or did I pick up that name from another person's post ??? ) so I do have some experience with it.

    I learned the power of acceptance from Paul Wilson.
    He taught himself meditation at a young age when he liked to camp in the Australian outback.

    He had to, he had no choice there, as in the daytime, the temperature can reach 50 degrees Celcius there.
    You can't escape temperatures like that by visualisation. Nor by denial. Nor by giving up.

    All he could do was accept it, totally, becoming a part of it, being the temperature so to speak.
    The trick of vipassana meditation seems to be to use whatever you encounter on your road to life as a meditation point-of-focus.

    In your case, your despare would be your personal torture, your 50 degrees Celcius so to speak.

    By trying to deny it, resist it, you make it stronger.
    Since you seem to be recovering from it, and walking back up, you might want to try it now even !

    Accept your feelings, watch them, observe them. Having the knowledge that a dosage of hormones in your blood less than a single drop of pure hormones in your entire system is causing your despare might help. We are talking chemicals, nothing more, nothing less.

    Your soul is not affected by your hormonal imbalance, but your hormonal imbalance can be affected by your meditation.

    A chore:
    When you have fully recovered from your current depression:

    For the coming week, whenever you feel great and when you meditate, fold your hands, right hand resting on the left hand as if they are cups, thumbs connected at the tips of your thumbs, and SMILE slightly.
    Every moment you feel good, or something nice happens that makes you smile, place your hands in the above described position.
    This is called Neurolinguistic programming.

    It is really important to only assume this position when you really feel happy, and when you meditate.

    Keep this up for a week

    After this week, when a dark thought/mood/depression comes up, simply assume the position again, fold your hands and smile slightly.

    Watch what happens :)
     
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    Dear Coenrad, I have been so busy since yesterday lunch and have only seen the above post of yours now. I was thinking of you last night and was going to broach the subject of bi-polar or severe depression. I have seen one or two people here who post a lot (maybe when they are on a high) and then disapear maybe when they are on a low. I understand little about this - I think maybe you have extreme highs and lows? I do know that you have to be careful with meditation if you suffer from bi-polar or severe depression.

    Please be gentle and kind with yourself and don't push yourself too hard. In your tough times maybe you could just do the gratitude exercise and some kind and loving affirmations.

    My daughter has made a great video with affirmations and photos of how she is planning her life to be. She plays it everyday on her computer- it's absolutely brilliant. Maybe I could ask her if she'll do one for you to help you see your way forward more clearly. We're having a childrens party soon so I need to go and cook, I hope you have a peaceful and hopeful day and I'm sending you a bouquet of love and encouragement over the ether so close your eyes and allow your beautiful spirit to feel immersed in love and joy :) :) :)
     
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    For those wondering when the success story is coming (just wait...this ones a bit detailed even for my liking but it’s as real as it gets), the motto of one of the old Dutch republics down here was ”Eendragt maakt Magt” – Strength or power through unity/ the collective” – modern post colonial, post Apartheid South Africa prefers Ubuntu – “A Zulu word, literally meaning "humanness." Ubuntu is a social and spiritual philosophy serving as a framework for African society. Its essential meaning can be conveyed using the Zulu maxim "umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu"—meaning, in essence, "a person is a person through other persons." – Essentially the same.

    In terms of success, that is evident here; where else will complete strangers from various continents congregating to educate, guide and support those who have started follow the path of self realization through inner development, even those who have been on this path for some time check in with their piers, for this I am grateful, this alone is a tremendous success?

    In 2002 as you know, my son got caught in his umbilical cord in his 8th month, then passed away, I have never felt so heartbroken nor have I ever been challenged to be a “man” in the real sense of the world, to be there for my lady (the 5 year relationship I spoke of) 100%, mostly I felt utterly powerless watching her go through labor for a little over 12 hours. She was shattered, all she ever wanted to be is a mother, her dream was dead inside her, I had never felt him kick as I was to caught up in paying the bills and long hours at work…(this has eaten away at me as guilt), for her that baby was everything. I recall having to hold her down while they tried to put an epidural into her spine 8 times, she screamed in agnony, when that failed she had to give birth the hard way, I was begged to make the pain stop, she sobbed for hours….I had to reach really deep inside, keep the family calm, field a mass of questions from my phone and family members who drifted in and out….I had to keep it together…..I kept it together so well over the months that followed that once she was okay….I wasn’t, she wanted another child…….I was still trying to deal with the one we had lost…a local support group (compassionate friends) helped immensely, others had lost children at 21 or older, we had gotten off easy compared to these people. That Edwin is where chemical depression started, prior to that I kept it together no matter what came my way.

    I went to therapy, took the Efexor 100mg, did my bit but I soon realized when shock theraphy became THE option that I would have to sort myself out, take ownership, and sort this thing out. I was greatly inspired by the story of Dr Nash in the movie based on his thinking his way out of scitsoprenia –

    “I still see things that are not here. I just choose not to acknowledge them. Like a diet of the mind, I just choose not to indulge certain appetites” – “Imagine if you suddenly learned that the people, the places, the moments most important to you were not gone, not dead, but worse, had never been. What kind of hell would that be?” – A beautiful mind

    As I worked at a major African research University at the time, this appealed to me and started the journey back from the edge that lead me here, the first thing I did was flush my medication, that was 2003, I went cold turkey, coming off the medication was as bad as going on but I was going to fight this thing. This turned me back to finding “Consciousness” and this is when I explored TM as previously stated, a search for a way past the mind that lasted 7 years, I AM EXTREMELY GRATEFUL to Michael Mackenzie for his kindness in making Discover Meditation available.

    What happened to me was overpowering, after 7 years of emotional numbness based on my academic nature, my IT role and Engineering mindset – “I think therefore I am” – Descartes, I learned to “just deal with it” - through meditation, all I packed away came violently to the surface.

    YOU CAN MOVE FROM ONE JOB TO ANOTHER, ONE RELATIONSHIP TO ANOTHER, ONE LIFE SITUATION TO ANOTHER, BUT AT SOME TIME, YOU HAVE TO UNPACK. Meditation made me realize that I have some unpacking to do, I cant just use force of will and expect it to be okay, I will always be on automatic until I unpack, look at it objectively, throw out what’s not needed….move on.

    The pressure cooker of my internal reality vented, my mind seems to be releasing, take the pressure cookers lid off to fast and you end up with an explosion (Michael warns one not to overdo it), so I guess what surfaced as deep and heavy depression is just that……old stuff being released to make way for what’s to come.

    Your absolutely right as always Edwin, I got a nasty fright feeling as I did but I firmly believe that there is more to release but release I must…….LifeFlow is very powerful medicine and I’m grateful for it, like all good medicine, it doesn’t always taste or feel good

    Every day in every way, Im getting better and better…..:)
     
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    Angels do walk the earth

    Hi, Pollyanna

    I beat the depression as a day to day reality years ago as explained in my post to Edwin - I am supposed to be Uni-Polar which has no highs, your low and stay that way - Bi Polar’s go from one extreme to another - my heart goes out to them, they and those around them have it rough.

    Besides, think about it, Doctors study for 6 years or more, everyone knows who has tried to read a prescription that they can't write.......what kind of education is that anyway. :)

    The crucial point is that I failed to do was deal with what lead to becoming that way. Meditation brought that to the surface in a very powerful and dramatic way.

    As with Edwin and Chris, your advice is spot-on, I have driven myself hard, expect myself to take what ever comes, charged into the breach come what may but at some point one comes to the realization that your swimming against the current, and your tired and getting nowhere despite the immense effort you have put in, you are exactly where you where….I am now only waking up to the possibility that life could be very different and that there is more to it that constant struggle. I need to learn to care for myself , that has never been useful given the framework of the society I was raised in, I think if we did cultivate self love, we would have had no choice but to extend that to our fellow men and woman, nor do those who love themselves and the other eagerly go to war.

    At the same time I have a deep gnawing hunger to make conscious contact with “Being” as Eckhart Tolle calls it – others call it “Pure Consciousness”, either way its to be found somewhere in the depths of silence. On my way down to those depths I need to pass through my own consciousness first, its not always pleasant. On the upside, being disillusioned with the ineffectiveness of the “self”, moving towards “unity consciousness” will be easier.

    As for the mastery that both you and your daughter have shown, I think that both Edwin and I would appreciate a post in your law of attraction thread to help us at the very least make a little space in our financial reality to practice MindFlow in more peace, maybe a little more insight as to how your apprentice / daughter and yourself manage to dream your dreams then live them?

    I am as always grateful to you for your kindness and insight.
     
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    Coenrad, you have already come such a long way.

    I wish you much peace, light, love, joy, success and prosperity on the rest of your journey.

    Chris x :)
     
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    Feedback on the way back from the edge

    Thanks Chris,

    I originally downloaded Discover Meditation because of its TM like methodology, I was obsessed with this technique, I can now put it to rest, on its own Discover Meditation was SO effective at giving an over active mind something to do whilst meditating, something which is harder to do when following ones breath as a meditation.

    I wrote to Michael as I had an experience of severe anxiety due to circumstances, this made meditation incredibly hard as I tend to want to do something about what is bothering me, I couldn’t and around and round the thoughts went, stampeding thoughts lead to me getting a thorough stomping….walking up to a group of bikers and proclaiming – “Yo mamma….” Would have been gentler and more along the lines of what I can deal with…the more you resist the more it persists, you can run from bikers or call your Mom to sort them out (mine would, she’s part Sicilian….capiche? :D) but thoughts can't be run from, your stuck with them, trapped by them. To add to the drama, I am a modern concrete caveman / recluse trying to be a modern monk in terms of spirituality, very recently that was shattered when a friend I consider to be my sister moved in having no where to go, along with her came “the seed of chucky”… :eek:..a demonic mix of tantrums, crying, runny everything with sticky hands……my concrete monastery became a lunatic asylum ( okay it always was, I live here…but it got way nuttier ). Nothing stresses me out than “the terrible two’s” and the resultant battle of wills between mother and daughter (how can something that small make so much noise?), when they don’t sleep, I don’t, as she goes to daycare, she brings home a collection of illnesses ranging from colds to the plague, and my immune system gets a stomping along with her. As I have NO experience with children, this really stressed me out, add that to the mix of my current life situation, it amplified my challenges.:mad:

    Having stuck with LifeFlow 10 and the mantra, I have hit one major roadblock / Iceberg as described upstream but one breakthrough has occurred. I am now more tolerant and emotionally insulated than I was before, I can be present and calm in the midst of yet another tantrum….(is there a Guinness Record for tantrums….I think I have a winner here?) and have been able through that to function around her, be kind and loving no matter what chaos she is causing, and realizing that I have a gift here beyond the obvious….I get to see how my ego started forming…”my this, my that, give me, give me , give me”……makes my study of Eckhart Tolle’s work more meaningful.

    There is no doubt in my mind that LifeFlow 10 and my persistant use of it is not only helping me cope with stress but also helping me become a more tolerant and better human being.

    Thank you once again Chris
    x:)
     
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    Crikey you don't do things by halves do you?!! Others might disagree, but my experience of children (mine are 7 and 11 now so at least can tell me what the problem is!) would be that taking on a two-year old cold turkey would be a challenge for a saint, let alone adding it to other issues! But a very, very kind and generous thing to do which says a lot about your character :)

    I would think that every parent will think their child holds the record for tantrums at two. Unfortunately 'terrible twos' is a bit of a misnomer as well, my two both carried on well into their threes. But, interspersed amongst the mad times, there were calm, fun and lovely times when they were little angels who made me laugh and were capable of giving a huge amount of love. The tantrums do gradually fade away though, they are replaced by sulks and moods! Nothing changed much from then on apart from they kept getting bigger and now have an answer to everything (some very creative answers too!). And they get homework, which really means parents get homework :eek:

    I wish you luck, although you sound like you are coping far better than I would have done. :)

    The challenges don't ever stop, do they? I'm really quite glad of that, one of the things I have noticed recently is that I'm enjoying being challenged, and am starting to look forwards to seeing what is waiting around the corner. I think that is a benefit of that slightly insulated feeling meditation seems to bring. You don't get hit quite so hard by things you can't control!

    Good luck :)
     
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    Tell me you didnt say that!!!

    Hi Chris,

    NOoooooo, I didn’t read that, I didn’t read that…..there are no icebergs, there are no icebergs….nope, didn’t work, your post still says that. It lasts about 2 YEARS!!!!!:eek:???

    I wasn’t for the idea as I knew that it would really stretch me, AND IT HAS, but we must do what’s right and I have to believe that there must be some reason for this, I also choose to believe that, that reason was a very positive outcome hidden in it somewhere. I miss being alone but here they are, I must do what needs doing. It does amplify my worries as now rent and other issues not only effect me but them also, I don’t believe that I would cope without LifeFlow…..its about a month now and after years of being alone….”seed of chucky” has turned my life upside down….and everything else she lays her sticky hands on. Listening at yet another yelling match a Star Trek quote comes to mind “Its life Jim, but not as we know it.”

    Maybe I need the pressure to get myself going…..always the hard way it seems.

    Got to be light at the end of this tunnel…..just got to check for railway tracks first…

    Thankfully theres alot of LifeFlow to go........
     
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    Hangs head in shame...

    Errm, yeah, sorry, I toyed with the idea of telling you not to worry, everything will be find the second your new arrival hits 3, but felt it best to give you some advance warning that your life may never be quite the same again..! All kids are different though, and your little angel may settle down and you might even find you love having her around! I'm guessing your visitors are there for a reason and probably have some serious settling down and in to do? Kids pick up on things, at two she won't understand what, just that maybe things are different. But they are also extrememly resiliant and adjust to change very quickly!! I didn't mean the tantrums are continuous either - they become less intense and less frequent as time goes by and the child learns to communicate in other ways!!

    I too have always felt that everything happens for a reason, always pushing us to grow in some way or other, so that has to be good?

    Have to say though, that Star Trek quote so perfectly describes what I suspect a great many parents have thought at some point or other!!!

    There is still a HUGE amount of LifeFlow to go, and if either of us gave up now, what on earth would we be thinking two years down the line when we reached the point where we might have completed the whole course? I really want to know how far it will take me!

    So, are you using headphones? Might be a good idea to start now if not?!!:D
     
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    Facing the hordes at Demon mountain...then a spot of lunch

    May just consider slapping on some headphones and floating down that river in Egypt or do the work, success is said to be 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration….I want this so badly, to achieve the peace I have so long saught and that ever intriguing goal of conscious contact with “it all”.

    “Legend tells of a legendary warrior whose kung fu skills were the stuff of legend.” – Kung Fu Panda ……..practice, discipline, practice, practice….HEADPHONES…..practice

    Quitting is easy, regret weighs a ton though……had enough of those…no more


    "Shifu: Then why didn't you quit? You knew I was trying to get rid of you, yet you stayed! Po: Yeah, I stayed. I stayed because everytime you threw a brick at my head or said I smelled; it hurt, but it could never hurt more than everyday of my life just being me. I stayed because I thought if anyone can change me, can make me not me, it was you! The greatest kung fu teacher in all of China!"...so it is with me, seemingly you and Project-Meditation...I must apply what is being taught, no better place than here...Shoalin Temple....my Chinese is strictly based on ordering take out.

    I believe that LifeFlow is the way, and in conjunction with reading Lao Tzu’s Tao Te Ching as interpreted by Wayne Dyer, I can only benefit. Kung Fu, mastery of any kind comes from a deep felt hunger matched with committed practice.

    I want this, I read a story of a master and student….after many years of study and meditation the student became impatient, went to the master and asked “Master, when will I become enlightened, I meditate and meditate but it still eludes me after so long?” , the master walks the student down to the river and holds his head underwater for what must have felt like the longest time, on surfacing the master asks the student….”when I held you under and your lungs burned, how badly did you want to breath?” The student answers, “with all my heart and mind, it is all I could think about or desire”…..the master smiles and answers, “when you want enlightenment that much, you will find it”…..I’m not quitting, I want to know, or even get a glimpse of it, not just read about it.

    Last one to learn the secret of the wuxi finger hold loses….:D.
     

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