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  1. karen659

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    Hi everyone! Things here in 'real life' have been quite busy with some very stressful situations and health concerns over the past few weeks. Experiences have continued, but not to the degree that there is much information that I feel others can learn from.

    However, this experience has a few 'new' aspects, so I'm sharing that latest. I welcome any insights, comments, or thoughts!

    Thanks,
    Karen
    The Travels of a Dream Walker

    3/18/09

    This experience offered once again more new experiences for me. In retrospect, I feel I have had so much to do and take care of in the past few weeks with my ‘physical life’ that my astral body is trying to compensate by giving me what I need to balance.

    Just prior to sleep with this experience, and knowing that I have not had the chance to help others while OOB in a long time, I do recall a brief ‘thought’ that impressed upon mind that this time I just might get my wish. However the difference was, this time they came to me!

    I went to my ‘traveling’ couch at 3am per my usual routine. As I’m lying there, I get the typical altered sensations (floating, soft buzzing) that indicates I’m about ready to separate. Instead of just rolling out as usual, I find my legs floating vertical in the air! Now this is common for me as a signal to roll, however, I couldn’t move! I question whether perhaps I really DO have my legs this high, but also realize it just isn’t possible.

    While lying there, feeling my legs floating and not able to roll out, I have a sense of someone coming from the kitchen area. I feel slight apprehension, as I see a very strong male (energy) shadow moving toward me, talking animatedly and emphatically, as he towered over my body lying on the couch!

    My initial reflexive reaction was to put my hand up to him and said “Stop!”, however upon doing so, immediately knew I should not do that and then said, “I send you love”! He stopped, calmed a bit, and with this success, I also visualized sending loving energy to him, which improved his overall ‘sense’ quite a bit. He was able to talk more coherently to me now, and at the time, I knew what we were discussing but there is no memory now. I only have the impression he was explaining something, and just needed to talk.

    He faded out and now I felt the presence of another smaller female, hunched over, next to the couch in the same spot he faded from. It was a much older woman, quiet and non-threatening, and I asked, “what can I help you with?” She mumbled something softly, and the conversation is again not recalled, however I do remember sending her love as well.

    She faded after a short time and once again, a very animated, almost agitated, middle-aged female appeared in her place. She was talking loudly and waving her arms about. I recall only scraps of information about our conversation, something about products, and TV, and things she needs or was interested in. Because I had already started sending love with the other two, and with her strong energy appearance, it was easy to calm her down and just talk to her without any concerns or fear.

    At some point, she faded, and I became aware of my moving feet. This time I realized I could now roll out! I stood up next to the couch, amazed at the ‘strength’ of solidness I felt! However, I couldn’t move! Once again, I try ‘to the door!’ and when that didn’t work, ‘to the outside!’

    Now realizing I could see (usually I’m in darkness initially), my orientation was a bit confused. Although I felt as though I was facing my dining room, it appeared to me that my living room bay window was in front of me! Without questioning my orientation ‘status’ (as it was much more important that I get out, not caring which direction!) I just affirmed, ‘to the outside!’ while looking at the window.

    VERY slowly, I begin to move, so I say ‘to the window’, ‘to the outside’ – ANYthing to move! I’m drifting slowly, very slowly….and it feels as though I am not ‘in control’ of this one. So, I just ‘let go’ and remember it doesn’t’ matter where I go out, as long as I get out! Lol

    I start to move up to the ceiling, and think, ‘oh this is great!’ as I’ll get to experience the texture changes as I pass through so slowly. Indeed I do, first the ceiling, then the attic area, through the roof and then to the outside – each feeling so different in texture and sensation.

    I am moving SOoooo slowly, finally breaking through to the outside, seeing clouds and birds, and even something that I’m not sure what is was while flying (this is what I recorded – very limited memories here).

    I am enjoying the drifting and floating, getting so comfortable and relaxed. I even recall knowing I could take part of the cloud to use as a pillow! I was so content and at peace, not really going anywhere, but just enjoying the open expansiveness and peaceful feelings. The sense of freedom and comfort was immense.

    When I came back to couch, there was another ‘first’ I can remember doing. I had to actually “turn around” to get into the right position as I’m getting back in body. I somehow knew I had to re-enter differently, but I really don’t know how I knew!

    I am aware I have so much to record and am now trying to bring myself awake slowly while trying to find recorder. It’s hard to describe, but I knew I wasn’t awake enough to get it working so I hung onto the memories as much as I could while trying to wake even further. However once I was fully awake to record, I still lost so many memories.

    I am find this happening more and more often, with deep memories holding while slowly waking, using attempts to bring them to the surface with signal words, but losing the ‘idea’ behind them as soon as I am fully awake.

    As for the shadowing figures, all needed to do was calm them down and become comfortable with their animated and ‘wild’ energy (that initially scared me slightly). By remembering to send loving thoughts and energy as they spoke to me allowed me to show my understanding of the loving communication process that is difficult to control many times when faced with fear while OOB.

    Getting fully out after meeting these individuals was also different in that despite my lack of usual quick determined movements, it was still an enjoyable experience, as the slowness allowed me to fully experience each part of the process. When finally outdoors, the expansiveness and happiness I felt ‘just doing nothing’ I believe was a much needed respite from the extremely stressful and overactive life that I have encountered these past few weeks.
     
  2. Montana Keith

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    Hi Karen,
    I just wanted to let you know that I read your latest post. I don't have any insights to offer other than to say:

    Thank you for your continued dedication in recording your experiences here. Your example has motivated me to keep a dream journal. Since beginning meditation using LifeFlow technology, I seem to be better able to recall my dreams. I am choosing which ones to record in detail because the amount of time it takes me to do this.

    I hope things have slowed down for you and that the health concerns you are experiencing are not of a serious nature. Take care. --Keith :)

    P.S. Here's one of my latest dreams. Please don't feel obligated to respond to it. I post it here because it is representative of some of the "stuff" that is being loosened up for me. Perhaps other readers can relate to the universal process of being taught through dreams AND of the ability of dreams to bring things to awareness so they can be released. Isn't life so interesting!

    This dream, in particular, is rich with symbolism. I simply recorded it to the best of my memory. It felt significant.

    Keith’s Dream of Friday, March 13, 2009 (Recorded from 0448 to 0600 AM):

    I dream that the pastor’s wife has asked my wife and me to their place at noon after church. I think she has something she’d like me to do. Kind of like a church calling. I feel kind of honored that she thought of me.

    SHIFT: Out on this gritty grimy street—a street scene like you’d see in a graphic action comic. There is a character—kind of like a bigger than life action character. He’s doing big, “Cool-Joe” guy type things. Another character reminds me somewhat of a cop or security guard—kind of dorky. He’s doing—and having others do along with him—a kind of stupid trick where you place a dollar bill on the top of a glass topped coffee table. Then, kneeling next to the table, you try to pick up the dollar using only your forehead.

    SAME SCENE: There’s this goofy, awkward, wanna-be action figure who keeps getting on the nerves of the “Cool-Joe” guy. Finally, the “Cool-Joe” guy hauls off and punches him in the mouth. His tooth gets knocked out and his mouth feels with blood. Both of these characters head for “home.” The “Cool-Joe” guy—in a huff—goes in the front entrance of his palatial home. The nerd guy goes to the same house but enters at an underground garage type area. It turns out that they’re actually brothers. Out of his “costume,” the younger nerd brother is actually really forgiving towards the jerk older brother who knocked his tooth out.

    SHIFT: My wife and I have invested—or are thinking of investing—in rental properties. We are thinking of buying the Lickey place on “Y” Mountain where we lived right after we were married. As we’re looking at the place, we’re also kind of showing it to a prospective young couple renters. I’m kind of nostalgically impressed with the place. My wife and I notice another building next to the main house. This building is probably about 12’ X 16’. It has a peaked roof and windows all around. It’s kind of an older era—maybe pioneer era—building. Inside there is a well polished older wooden floor. This building is lit by a soft golden light that shines welcomingly out of the surrounding windows. This building seems to be some type of dining hall. It is all set up with a long wooden table surrounded by high backed wooden dining chairs. How very interesting!

    From here we walk over to the main house and look in the windows. A couple of college guys have been renting the place just like how it was before my wife and I rented it when we got married. Some remodeling has been done on the inside. Laminate wood floor has been laid, a wall moved. It looks kind of nice, but is, in my opinion, a poor use of space. By moving the one wall, a new room has been made back in the furnace area. The furnace here is much too big for such a small house. It’s a big awkward old green furnace. The laminate floor looks nice though. I notice a couch back here and a good sized flat screen TV on the wall.

    SHIFT: I am feeling impatient and rushed. I’m trying to get things done for me, as well as for others, prior to getting to an appointment I need to be at. Perhaps, I’m trying to get things prepared for my meeting at the pastor’s house.

    I think my “calling” from the pastor’s wife is to prepare eulogies for people’s deceased pets. Through my mind four letter TV station call signs are scrolling by. Kind of like a Google search. I’m wandering which will be best to use—or find information—for my new pet eulogy website / TV station. Should it start with “P’s”—like PDRX—for “pet died?” Or, is one starting with “K’s” the right one—KTXV—for “kitty . . .?” I don’t know what the “T” stands for.

    A girl I know—kind of like a niece or well known neighbor—shows up. She’s about 10 years old. She wants me to help her with something concerning her pet.

    [Has her pet got gotten sick and died? I’m not exactly sure.]

    She’s wearing a white Sunday dress. I’m doing her “stuff” as well as trying to get my “stuff” done too. Feeling kind of irritated and perturbed that other people’s stuff keeps getting in the way when I’ve “got” to get my “stuff” done too. Sitting at school lunch tables or aluminum bleachers. This 10 year old girl has four eight ounce white paper cups each filled part way with catsup. They’re part of her project I’m helping her with. In my frustrated hurrying impatience, I accidently knock one of the cups off the edge of the aluminum seat / lunch table. It falls on the floor and the red catsup “splats” out. I look at the girl’s white dress. I’m really surprised when—as far as I can tell—no catsup “splatted” up on her dress.

    She says—or gives me the look: “Hey! Watch what you’re doing!”

    I look—or say: “Good grief! Maybe you should just quit bugging me so much with your foolish little things right now. I have a really ‘important’ meeting I’m trying to get ready for now too.”

    CLOSING THOUGHTS: I’ve been sitting here for over an hour recording this dream. Why do I put so much effort in doing this—in recording my dreams? It all just feels to be part of listening, noticing, and finding my way. It feels useful and important to me.
     
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    Keith,

    Thanks so much for posting a response. I love to know that my words help others in some way....

    Things are just starting to settle here a bit, but still very busy. As the caretaker for aging parents, full time work, and grad school, I am just a bit short on time for my own pursuits! I am still getting 'out' but in a higher level that is difficult to bring memories back with. Most likely, I assume it is due to the fact I don't really have the time right now to spend recording these memories!

    As for your dream, it is one that only you will be able to best understand. With the wide variety of dream characters involved, I feel it is important that you look at each one and see what characteristics you feel relate to your own life and events, how they relate, and who/what they represent.

    Most likely they are pointing out aspects of your 'thinking' and perception of human traits that need to be reflected upon. That's just my 'perception'....lol

    Yes, I agree journaling these experiences can be quite time consuming, however, they also lead to much insight and learning as well! It is important that anyone who wants to focus on their spiritual development document all experiences, as seeing it in writing places intent for more and give added insight that memory alone cannot retain.

    Thanks again,
    Karen
     
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    help please

    Hi guy,

    I think I may be doing this all wrong! I lie down in bed, eyes closed, try (and I repeat 'try') not to think about anything, sometimes I repeat a mantra in my mind, concentrate on my breathing, in from the nose, out from my mouth (althogh sometimes that distracts me so I let it out from my nose). Is that correct? I'd love to oobt, I used to get frequent sleep paralysis, scared the living day-light out of me. I guess that maybe they are a form of oobt?!

    Thanks
     
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    Hi Sogno!

    First of all, there is NO right or wrong way to do this!! lol Getting into the right mindstate is important, so using whatever means you can to get into the very relaxed state is important.

    Apparently you are able to, as the sleep paralysis is a necessary step to OOBEs! The fact that it used to scare you is probably part of the reason you don't progress further. You need to know that it is just a step in the process and that once your body is 'asleep', yet your mind is awake, you take control and move out.

    There are a number of visualization techniques you can use to separate once you get to the sleep paralysis stage, (floating, rope climbing, rolling out,etc) but you have to overcome any fear or thought of fear first. Learn to just 'let go' and let the event happen once fully relaxed...and expect anything! Every experience will be individualized, and it's all part of the learning process.

    Let me know next time what happens when you get to sleep paralysis...and instead of fear, become excited to know that you are already nearly there for the OOBE!! :)

    Keep me posted...hope this helps....

    Karen

    PS I'm sure in this lengthy post I have my technique posted, but if not, it's on my blog as well...see 'site' button....
     
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    Hi everyone! Although this is another less-than-spectacular experience, I thought it gives some ideas as to how I have learned to respond to the different signals and clues that I get during an OBE.

    I am just happy to get out again, and am glad to feel it appears that I am making some progress. Hope someone gets something from it!

    -Karen

    4/01/09 Gaining Confidence

    My first recollection of this experience is the music and loud noise coming from the living room where I was sleeping. I felt I was fully awake and should go investigate where this music was coming from. Realizing that the room appeared just a bit different than it really does, I gives me the ‘awareness’ that I am in another ‘false awakening’ and use this to roll out of body. I affirm, ‘to the door!’ and move slowly, feeling a VERY strong pulling sensation back to body.

    Realizing I am not going to make it to the door, I change direction to the hallway near my daughter’s bedroom. Now I hear excited barking! Without hesitating, I call for the dogs to come, and immediately see two smaller dogs appear in the hall. The smaller one is light brown, longer hair, and has a familiar sense that I attributed to my younger childhood days, as he excitedly jumps up on me. The other dog is slightly bigger, black/brown, shorthair and a little more reserve, but friendly. He comes up to me and nuzzles me contentedly, as if to say hello.

    Looking up, I see in the doorway a large black/brindle dog that hesitates before entering. I feel a slight apprehension, but then realize it is more of a timid feeling coming from this big dog, and coax him to join the other two at my side.

    I hug him and rub his short hair, noticing that his right eye is missing and his coat is matted. Sitting in the hallway playing with these dogs, I sense a presence standing in the doorway to my daughter’s room. It is an older, stocky, tall white male with short grey hair and small ‘blotches’ scattered throughout his face. He is non-threatening, but distant (timid?), and I realize he is there to talk to me.

    His question is recorded as, “How’s your ‘sex appeal’ (but the word felt like confidence) for working with us? Can you help us (those of us) in this ‘population’? (Other than the specific words ‘sex appeal’, ‘help’, and ‘population’, the question was more of a feeling than specific words.) I understood what he was saying, and gave my consent to help in any way I could, knowing he meant the ‘population’ was those in spirit, both human and animal.

    He and the dogs now fade away, and I try to locate my recorder to record what I can. I find it in pieces, and I’m attempting to put it back together. Realizing this is usually the signal for a ‘false awakening’, and instead of pulling myself more awake, I now use this signal to try to roll out again (even though I know I may not remember many details if I continued to another experience!)

    I am successful in finding myself standing back in the living room where I was sleeping, and the room again looked slightly different (which gave me the validation I WAS still OOB). I approached the front door to go outside, and took the time to try to see if my hand could go through as usual. I was astonished to feel that it was solid! I pushed against it two more times, knowing I was out of body, but just amazed that I couldn’t pass through it!

    I gave up and just opened the door the regular way, feeling the cool breeze of the morning air as the door opened. I kept saying, “This is not right, I know I’m out!”, so continued on, just ‘going along’ with what was happening.

    Once outside, I tried flying a little, floating slightly upwards enjoying the freedom of being out but with a knowing that I was still ‘grounded’ and not able to go far. With that thought, I found myself flat on the ground, seeing and smelling the green grass under a tree in the front yard.

    From my spot in the front yard, I could see my father’s truck come into the driveway, pulling a wagon filled with stuff like he’s going to clean up around the yard. My daughter was now there, and she is coming toward me. I somehow ‘know’ I am lying here (in my nightgown!) aware she is coming for the jeans that she left nearby, but unaware of my presence (I get the feeling I am ‘not in this picture’ at this time). This is quite confusing here, but I’m writing what I recorded!! lol

    My husband, her stepfather, is also in the front yard now, and they are conversing quite civilly about things she just inherited that would be useful for the new people who are coming. I remember their conversation because it is registered as quite unusual to hear them to talk to each other in such a polite way.

    Next I recall, I am now accompanying my daughter up to the house, yet this house (the one I just came out of!) has had the front door boarded up for a long time, and we are going to attempt to get in.

    Just as we get inside the house, everything starts to fade and I realize I have to try to recall as much as I can. Again, I find the recorder in pieces; however, this time I pull myself to a more awake state and search for it again. I find it as I feel the heaviness of ‘full return’ and record what I could remember.

    For some clarity here, I will say there are MANY changes going on in my life right now with regard to people in my life. I believe much of the ending of this experience probably an indication that this change will be for the better in all avenues of my physical life right now, and I am hoping the agreement to help with those in spirit indicates my increased confidence in moving forward with spiritual growth as well.

    I only hope my ‘grounding’ of the experiences ends soon as I long to travel and experience that lightness and joy that usually accompanies those trips to the higher astral levels!
     
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    Here we go again!

    4/5/09 Ignored Signals in Near-Reality; 6/28/56

    This OBE is again nothing like my usual experiences, and seems to have a degree of ‘near-reality’ in it that is just SO convincing that THIS time I pay no attention to the various signals (anomalies) that would indicate I am OOB! I really don’t know what is going on with my projections!

    For this experience, I am in my usual spot on the couch and find that I am having a harder time to settle down than usual. I am very tired, yet cannot sleep. It seems that I just get to that right ‘mindstate’ and suddenly I hear my husband coming down the stairs to try to convince me to go back to bed!

    Normally, this would signal a false awakening for me, as this has happened many times before, however, this time it ‘felt’ different. I was SO tired, and SO annoyed that he’d wake me, I just rolled off the couch and moved toward the stairs to go upstairs to bed. I feel SO heavy, like I’m drugged - having difficulty even opening my eyes as I move! I just can’t seem to pull them open! (In hindsight, it was the same ‘feeling’ I had when previously OOB and aware of it, in trying to get some vision within an experience)

    I move slowly into the bedroom and I remember all I want to do is sleep because I feel SO heavy and tired! Yet, things start happening all at once! My husband brings me my cell phone, saying that the hospital is on the line. I take it as I am concerned there is another emergency that I may have to go in for. Then the house phone rings, and as I KNOW it’s only 3am (which it really was!), so I answer it again concerned it could be the hospital.

    I am so disgusted to find out it’s a sales call!! Some voice wanting to sell me some sort of ‘announcement service’ to let me know when school is out! I can recall trying to push the phone buttons to get to a ‘real’ person, and when I do, I ask her why she calling me at 3am to tell me about this!! She does apologize and tells me she won’t bother me again.

    Now my daughter (who doesn’t even live with me) shows up in the bedroom, carrying on about something that I can’t even make sense of! Her words are garbled, and she’s talking about something that needs to be straightened out. I feel SO TIRED I can’t even concentrate on her words, and she gets annoyed and goes back to her bedroom, laughing and talking with others who are there. I remember thinking, “What is she doing still up and visiting with her friends at 3am!!”

    Before she left, though, I was ‘handed’ a rose…and the rose was being held in a man’s arm/hand! The fingers were tightly wrapped around the rose, and the arm just ended at the shoulder level. I’m thinking, “This is a real arm! It even has hair on it! Who would want to give someone a hairy arm holding a rose? Do they even realize it came off of a real person??” I place the arm and rose on my bedside table, and watch as the fingers move to encircle other ‘fingers’ that I have there!

    (Now, you would think with all these ‘signals’ that I would have been able to realize I was out of body!!! Yet, I felt SO heavy, SO dense, and SO TIRED that I just assumed it all was real!)

    I finally fell asleep in bed, wondering why so many things were happening to me in the middle of the night to try to keep me awake! I then found myself transitioning to full wakefulness - still on the couch with nothing going on at 4am!

    I tried to return to sleep and became aware of being in full vibrations. I rolled out, and again, I see my husband next to me, trying to get my attention by talking to me about something.

    I tell him I’m busy, and I need to do my work, and just then notice a man walking into the room from my left behind my husband. I felt I needed to talk to him, so excused myself and went after him. I asked, “Can I help you? Where are you going?” as he walked through the living room to the French doors by the hallway.

    He is saying something about being a patient of mine ‘from the other night’ and told me his birthdate of 6/28/56. I remember asking him to repeat it as I was unsure of the year being ‘56 or ‘60. He again emphatically told me the date which I have recorded as 6/28/56. My feeling was that this date was being impressed upon me as something I needed to remember.

    I asked him again where he was going, and he answered, “No where”. I was feeling frustrated and blank, not being able to think of what I should do next because I was rather overwhelmed to think this was a patient I had/would have!

    The experience then faded rather quickly and I was left with the feeling that I may have asked the wrong questions or that it was just more important that I remembered that date. I don’t usually get such specific details when OOB, so I do try to take note when one is impressed upon me.

    Once again, I am sharing this experience even though I did not take note of the signals to gain control of the experience. However, it was so different in its ‘feel’ that I don’t think I was capable of thinking clearly enough to become aware! The second part was so much ‘lighter’ in feel, just as many of other experiences are, but still rather unfulfilling unless I find out what that date could mean!
     
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    Easter OBE

    4.12.09 Meeting Aaron; Finally Flying Free Again

    I am on my couch having set the intention to go ‘inward now’ should I be able to get OOB. My first awareness was that there were two other females with me as I was lying on the couch. I didn’t think too much of it as we were ‘waiting’ for something and passing the time making up fun things to do.

    For fun, I remember I took a belt? (like a soft bathrobe belt) and formed it into a lasso and attempted to lasso the one female’s pocketbook/case she was carrying as she moved toward the front door, seeing how I had to throw the belt just the right way to properly connect with it.

    Suddenly the front door blasts open and a figure rushes into the room and toward the couch where I am lying!! I am startled at first, but somehow realize I have to maintain emotional control and as usual, just ‘go with it’.

    What I see/feel is a young man, short and round in stature, and obviously affected with Down’s syndrome. He runs to me with such happiness and joy, and starts kissing, kissing, kissing me all over my face! I say ‘what’s going on? Who are you?’ and he quietly replies “Aaron”.

    I am still startled at his overwhelming gratitude and love, and ask again, “who?” and he repeats, “Its Aaron! I love you!, I love you!, I love you!” I ask ‘why are you doing this?’ and he says something about ‘ the last time…’ which gave me the knowing I was with him before and he was SO happy to see me again!

    As he says again, “I just love you!” I realize I am OOB, so I sit up on the couch and he climbs in next to me, continuing to kiss and hug me! I feel such overwhelming joy and gratitude from him, and I do think, ‘Now what am I going to do with him?...what do I do now?”

    Not getting any further information, I decide to move on and say to him, “I’m happy you’re so happy, Aaron, but I have to go!” knowing I was once again OOB in the lighter, freeing state of being (as compared to the more recent OBEs with the close to physical heaviness).

    Without looking back (which is rather selfish of me, in hindsight!), I move away to the dining room area intending to get outside quickly. Once I was by the dining room window, I dove through the glass, feeling that tingly sensation as I passed through into the cool crisp outside air.

    I realize it is wintertime! (Actually, it’s just becoming spring here now, so the snow and ice was a surprise to find!) Crisp white snow is covering the ground, with the trees and branches sealed in ice crystals and everything is SO beautiful! I’m flying toward the tree tops, a bit slower than usual, but still with such lightness and joy that I am so thrilled to be out again, saying “I missed this SO much!” over and over!

    At that point there was a quick transitional pullback, and I knew I was returning. Intending to record what I could remember, I find the recorder, but when I attempt to speak, all I hear is a muted ‘blah, blah, blah’ and the recording doesn’t work! Again, I use this signal as another chance to get back OOB, but also knowing that I was taking the chance that I would not remember all the details!

    This time I moved toward the front door and as I get closer to it, the usual ‘fear’ that I may not be really out comes over me and I turn to float through the door backward face up!! Once outside, I can feel the tingling sensations of ice or raining coming down and SO enjoying the flying freedom!!

    I am just overwhelmed with a sensation of joy and bliss I want to shout, but instead I start singing the entire song, “Mine eyes have seen the glory…...His Truth is marching on!” (Battle Hymn of the Republic) with such feeling and emotion (a la Kate Smith! Lol) I am SO full of love and joy and am enjoying the beauty of the countryside below me.

    I am over a wide open area, slightly depressed as in a lower elevation, and barely recall something about a tractor there? I am just singing and flying and being so captivated with it all!! At one point, I remember blasting through some thick barbed bushes, knowing I could go through anything if I wanted to!

    Recall here is very limited, and I believe I just started fading back at some point. Once again, I’m thinking I’m recording, but again I can’t get the switch to work right and the light won’t come on. This time, knowing that I will definitely forget too much if I go back out, I force myself more awake to the point where I know I am getting my recorder for real.

    Suddenly the memories start to fade SO quickly! I can remember so much in that semi-awake stage, but once fully awake and ready to really record, everything disappears so easily and I have to use the ‘walk backward’ through the events to try to remember even these details.

    So, after having my share of lower level physical OBEs, I finally had the chance to reconnect to the beauty and love of being in a higher lighter state of projection. It is just SO wonderful to be there again! The joy remains with you even after you are awake!
     
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    Pan, VERY interesting site! Thank you!

    Synchronicity has played a role in this, I know....there are some things on this site that I needed to have for a discussion I am having with another OBEr! I can't believe you gave me this now!

    Thanks again, so much!
    Karen

    PS Panthau, email me please with your contact info...
     
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    Hi karen,

    I got it from here: The Vehram System is truly brilliant!

    Cant wait to try this one out :)

    PM´s arent possible on this board i think, so here´s my email adresse: vlp-at-gmx.at

    Pan
     
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    Pan, your email address is incomplete. Email me please at [email protected]

    Thanks!
    Karen
     
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    Sogno, good to hear from you again!

    You are progressing just as you should be, so don't be upset if things seem to be going slow for you. Fear is a great obstacle to overcome, and it is not an easy feat for many. The more reading and research you do, the more comfortable you will become. Buhlman's seminars are wonderful, as I had the opportunity to attend on a year or so ago. I highly recommend them to anyone who can get to one. (If you do, mention my name - he's a great supporter of my blog!)

    I hope you are journaling those images and pictures you get, just as you would journal any dreams and experiences. This is SO important to do!! Besides giving you a reference in the future as to what they could mean, it also impresses your subconscious as to how important this ability to develop your 'inner self' is!! Keep a written record of them all!

    Know that this all is a learning experience, and that is what this entire physical 'life journey' is about. Not the end result, but the entire journey!! Even though you may feel like you are not progressing, you ARE!! Keep at it!

    Don't get discouraged when it seems like nothing is happening...and that advice I have to take for myself as well!! lol It's been the longest it's ever been since my last OBE, but yet, I know that it's the issues I deal with daily in this life that I am learning from right now, and that my OBE's will return.

    Thanks again for writing...keep in touch!

    Karen
     
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    Hi everyone! I finally have another OBE to share with you and its interesting how the fact that my other 'near-physical' OBE's were just a prelude to why I needed to learn how to use this state of awareness.

    Insight and comments are always appreciated. Thanks for reading!

    Karen

    5.7.09 Holding Hand Retrieval

    I moved to the couch and intended to get OOB, as it has been long stressful few weeks for me, and my physical life needs would always override my ability or strong intention to get OOB.

    This time, however, as life is beginning to settle a bit (or I’m just dealing with it better! lol) I wanted to try once again. Soon after getting into the hypnagogic state, and possibly even falling asleep, I became aware of hearing voices.

    It feels as though I’m listening to a radio station, with voices and conversations that do not have anything to do with me. This slight awareness allows me to focus a bit more on my ‘physical’ sensations, and I realize there is the vibrational tingling and my legs begin to float.

    This is my usual signal that I’m ready to separate, but once again, it feels so ‘heavy’ I cannot do my usual rollout. I have to push myself upright to a sitting position, still feeling the tingling, so I know I’m separating.

    I am unsteady at first, as it’s been a while since I’ve been out! I pull myself to move away from my body, and I’m not very ‘clear’ on my thinking and remember I have to affirm ‘to the door!’ and try to get my thoughts in the right ‘frame’ so I can move.

    I affirm ‘to the door!’ a few times, knowing the direction of the front door, but end up having to ‘physically move’ my legs to walk in that direction. As I pass the living room chairs, I reach out and can physically FEEL the arms of the chair, and as I pass between them I know there is a coffee table that I am passing through!!

    I can feel the texture change as I pass through the table, yet I can still reach out and ‘physically’ feel the edge of the coffee table! That was most unusual for me!!

    As I got to the front door, I opened it as I would have if I was in physical. On the front porch, I could feel the change to ‘cool air’ and then realized I didn’t have to open that door that way! It is pitch black with no vision at all, only an ‘awareness’ of what is out there.

    I am suddenly startled to hear the slamming of two car doors, and ‘sense’ two people getting out of car in my driveway. There is only one female talking, and I heard something like ‘What do you think, Alfred?” as if she was talking to the other one who got out of the car with her.

    I wonder who is coming, but remained calm enough to ask, ‘Who’s there?’ as they approached. She answered me with her name, but I cannot recall what it was, and I know I asked her at least three times to repeat it because her speech was not clear. (I believe it was similar to Lisette, or Lisa, but I am not sure.)

    She continue to talk, loudly and animatedly, and I remember thinking that I’m not understanding a lot of what she is saying and am asking her to repeat many times.

    I then took a special note to listen intently at one point, and I clearly heard what is medically termed ‘flight of ideas’, as in her conversation/answer was not appropriate nor understandable in terms of what she was trying to convey. I felt immediately that this was an educated woman in her thirties, with some sort of mental instability, yet very pleasant and easy to get along with.

    I engaged her in conversation right where I was, standing on the sidewalk in front of my house. I could still see nothing except darkness, yet I sensed who she was but can give no physical details for a description. The conversation was difficult at first, with the words she spoke that did not appear to have meaning or context.

    However, I was guided to take her right hand in my left hand, and I could then PHYSICALLY feel that sensation of holding her hand! Just the same as I did when I physically felt the chairs and table before exiting the house!

    Upon holding her hand, I could immediately sense a ‘connection’ and understanding, and I was able to converse with her easily. She was telling me all the different things she like to do, and I remember one question I asked was, “Are you happy here?” in order to get a sense of direction where to go.

    She reluctantly answered ‘Yes, but…..’ trailing off and indicating there was some discontent. She then told me she wished it wasn’t ‘summertime’ all the time, indicating to me that I needed to build on this statement. (I recall the sense of a beautiful summer day when we spoke, even though upon fully awakening it was 4am and pouring rain!)

    I do not recall the entire conversation, however, I was guided to ask, “Have you ever thought about having a different life? or visiting a different world?”, not really knowing where my words were coming from!! She said, ‘that would be so nice!’ and I ‘felt’ it was rather boring there for her so I continued on by asking, “I have my friend inside the house who would love to tell you all about other lives and worlds, maybe you could come in with me and we’ll talk.” (Again, I knew I had to get her to ‘look’ for the help that was there)

    She followed me to the front porch door and as we stepped up, the fading pullback began. I slowly aroused to the sound of pouring rain, and the clock chiming 4am. During the entire experience I was aware someone else was with us, but there was no interaction at all between us.

    I would like to think that perhaps my ‘physical’ touch was what was needed to get her to ‘focus’ on our conversation and bring here awareness to the point where she could ‘look for’ additional help.

    I never know completely whether I am successful, however, I have the inner knowing that it is because I still remain partly in that ‘physical’ state while OOB, it gives me that added ability to offer assistance to those who remain so closely connected to the lower physical realm.
     
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    Thank you

    Hi Karen,
    I haven’t been posting on this forum as often as I use to do. Most of my spare time for writing has been being taken up with recording my own dreams. I’ve been so excited about learning the “language of dreams” that I have been sacrificing on sleep. When I grab a hold of something I like, I can become very determined to attain my goal. I guess it is all about maintaining balance in one’s life. Last week, I averaged only about five and a half hours of sleep each night. I ended up typing up over 28 pages of narrative in my dream journal. I posted one of my latest dreams on this forum. (See: http://www.project-meditation.org/community/mind-body-spirit/1698-dreams.html )

    I hope you don’t get tired of me saying this, but I REALLY appreciate you and admire you for taking the time to write up your O.O.B. experiences and for sharing them on this forum. From personal experience, I know that this process can take a lot of time. I think you must be sensing, like me, that the evolution in consciousness through experiencing ourselves and our world(s) in different ways is well worth the effort.

    That is so interesting what you wrote about holding the young woman’s hand. Like you, I hope your caring efforts assisted her out of the “stuck place” she was at on her journey. I think they did.

    I value so much having you as a friend to discuss the challenges & successes of learning to go O.O.B. Somehow, it just feels different, and more real, to have someone to talk to about this rather than just reading about it in a book.

    In other posts, I’ve mentioned about a person who I admire greatly. Her name was Betty White. Her husband, Stewart Edward White, wrote about her growth is conscious with the aid of her helpers “the invisibles.” The series of eight books that detail Betty’s, and his, growth in consciousness are known as “The Betty Books.” Because of the similarities to your own experiences, I thought you might enjoy the following excerpt from the fourth book in this series: “The Road I Know.”

    I wish you well. –Keith



    Title: The Road I Know (1942)
    Author: Stewart Edward White

    CHAPTER XI “LEAVING THE BODY”

    1.

    Undoubtedly when entering the higher consciousness, Betty had from the very beginning "left the body", without appreciating the fact. As soon as she realized that she was actually so doing, the Invisibles began to teach her how to do it consciously.

    "Escape from the restrictions of the body," said they, "and live outside the restrictions of the body, even while you are occupying it, can be experienced. That is the real life. How can any sensible person doubt it? We are trying to shatter the bodily conception of life in order to expose the other to view. The discovery of this other conception and the gradual acquisition of it is what constitutes the RAISON D'ETRE of your existence. If you do not discover it, you have failed; you are either standing still or slipping back."

    Most of the training to accomplish this was technical, intended for Betty individually, and in no sense to be taken as general instruction. It was only one of the necessary means to an end. So I quote bits here and there from the record merely to give a picture of the sort of thing that went on.* (* Condensed version used in ACROSS THE UNKNOWN.)

    "I see! " said Betty, in running comment. "Now! just to slip off my body. . .leave it lying on the floor. . .so much easier to work from this end back. . . . I'm getting so much more at home here."

    An interval followed, with no comment.

    "Now they've brought me back to contemplate my body. They think I can improve my control. . . ."

    Again the pause.

    "They're just letting me into my body and out again—just a flash, to get control of doing it. . . . It's wonderful practise in a kind of balance—in keeping my spirit so balanced that it gets no drag from the body. . . . I've got to keep quiet to do this, or I'll never get anywhere. . . . This is fine! So much more strength this way! See how much quieter I am lying."

    "Practise in leaving the body," said the Invisibles to me by way of explanation. Then in command to Betty: "Enter the body. . . . Now release."

    "I've got to keep leaving and entering, alternating," said Betty.

    Short silence.

    "My head and neck are tired in my body," she complained presently. "I'd like to turn. . . . I'm going to try. . . . So painful to think about my body."

    She tried to move, but failed.

    "Shall I move your head for you?" I asked.

    "Toward the wall," said Betty.

    I obeyed.

    "That's better."

    There ensued a long silence—but obviously a busy silence.

    "I can't hold it any more," said she at last. "I fell over. I oughtn't to have done that. Now I can rest, they say.

    Here ensued another long silence, but this time obviously not busy.

    Try once more," the Invisibles told her at last.

    Another pause.

    "Yes, I can do it!" said Betty. "Now wait until I alternate again. . . . I did it! That's very, very useful."

    The "lesson" continued thus for upward of an hour. Then Betty was free to tell me a little something about it while still in her trance state.

    "You withdrew all attention from your body, which is very difficult," she told me. "I thought of it as so heavy as to be impossible to move; while I, the living, left it in the comer and walked off in my spiritual body. That worked until my hay fever wanted to make me sneeze.

    "The main thing is that, during the day, about your affairs, you can at odd moments, practice retiring to that spiritual body. Withdraw attention from the other, until you get helpful control. It is very important for me to learn it. . . .

    "I'm going to come out pretty soon: I'm just hanging around. . . .

    "It is a matter of withdrawing attention from one thing, and giving it full strength to another. It must be done before I can go on. They can't keep on dragging my body around. I've got to get control so I can leave that entirely behind. They say the reason I always come back so soon is that I'm a self-stopper. I've got to stop wobbling and prepare to go all the way and not want to snap back. It is like standing on my head. It's that 'Oh dear, I'm going to wobble and come down' idea that brings me back."

    "The more you can relax the body all the time," said the Invisibles, "the more power you possess and the more you can use the spiritual in contact with the physical. Ignore the body, except for its necessary functions. The first point is to keep it in health, so that it can be the more easily ignored."

    "Now I am going to do it over again," said Betty. "This must be made more trustworthy. . . . Such a strange light. . . ."

    For some little time she was silent.

    "I can travel a little now," she resumed. "Getting the idea of unattached motion. I've been so tethered before. But it is hard for me to see; it's so dim."

    "One of the most powerful forces is belief in your power to do it," said the Invisibles. "That combined with effort to make good in it, will accomplish almost anything. Without that you sink into your own limitations and consider them impossible to overcome. But if you get the belief that it can be done and back it up: presto! It is done, and you have opened new doors. It is the halfness of trying doggedly without the belief that gets you nowhere."

    "I've always wanted to explain that holding-steady process that gets you here, but I've never been able to," said Betty. "I think I'd call it a condensation of purpose; but condensation is not quite it, because it depends so much on expansion and breadth of perception."

    2.

    With practise, "getting out of the body," like the other things, became for Betty less and less a question of concentration and struggle. One day-after several months of off-and-on practice-she suddenly seemed to understand the knack.

    "Why! " she cried, somewhat astonished, "I can slip back and forth easily today! It is very strange! The wind swept through me as I came in. I hailed it, did not crouch before it, and it went through me as sun goes through you. I wasn't conscious of my body any more; I was just conscious of vigorous well-being almost as disembodied as one could hope to be. Harmonious vitality superseded the mortal sensation."

    She paused in her reporting, apparently trying out her newfound skill.

    "I like slipping back and forth that way," she confided presently. "I don't see why it isn't just as interesting a performance, and vastly more desirable, as learning to swim in an element that is not your own. It is just as natural, really. I just leap out of myself, and take a dive into a freer and more stimulating element. Each time I do it, it gets easier; I am more at home in it; and more stimulated by it. I am not tremendously good at it; but it's just as simple as that."

    3.

    From then on Betty had little or no trouble with the "getting out" part, but the return to the body without undesirable repercussion, so to speak, was another matter.

    "The danger of this experience is always in coming back," she explained to me, "in arousing the body, like an invalid who thinks she's been abused. . . . That's the attitude with which you must look at your bodily weaknesses always. You must be their trained nurse, giving them only such attention as is wholesome and such care as is necessary and such sympathy as is good for them. . . .

    She broke off to consider this.

    "And," she continued, "there's no use saying:, 'I'll do it next time.' Not next time: this time. 'This is the only time there is,'-you must say that to yourself.

    You are not rising above the body, after the usual method; you're non-existing it, humorously, ridiculing it out of its habits. But, after all, one's so likely to be more in the frame of mind of the family relative than of the trained nurse."

    "Listen," said the Invisibles. "There is a kind of invalid's room in which your body has established its habits and weaknesses. You are coming back now, but you are not going to let your active, vigorous, pulsing, living being more than visit and cheer that room."

    "Well," said Betty, "I'll just stay quiet and pack up my ideas. . . . I must come away. I'm getting drowsy, and I am a little afraid of that state in between, but I have to pass through it each time.

    "I'm coming back." A pause. "I'm almost back. . . . It seems like a fairy-story world now."
     
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    Keith,
    Thanks so much for the post and the excerpt! I truly enjoyed reading that and it does intrigue me to want to read more! I shall definitely consider reading her books when more time allows me to. It is just one more year before I finish my degree and life begins anew again.

    Meanwhile, I do what I can, and as you know, just keeping up my blog and these postings take a lot of time and effort - but as you know, it is such a worthwhile effort, that I intend to continue as long as others are learning from me!

    The best part of the except that others need to know is this: "One of the most powerful forces is belief in your power to do it," said the Invisibles. "That combined with effort to make good in it, will accomplish almost anything. Without that you sink into your own limitations and consider them impossible to overcome. But if you get the belief that it can be done and back it up: presto! It is done, and you have opened new doors. It is the halfness of trying doggedly without the belief that gets you nowhere."

    If everyone truly believe in their abilities, this is NO limits!!

    Thanks again, keep in touch...

    Karen
     
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    I have read this thread with interest. Have any of you had any sinister experiences with OOBT other than Karen's one that she mentioned in an earlier post? I ask because I know of several people who have had terrifying experiences with dark entities as a result of astral travel, one who ended up in a mental hospital.

    I do think that the very real potential dangers that can be associated with this should also be highlighted. I have had two encounters with such entities and not even in a meditative state, once while ill, but the other whilst driving a car late at night. I have never been so terrified in my life. I also had experience of someone with demon possession, a girl who worked for me, and caused a huge amount of trauma in my life. I have never seen anything like it-her other persona was a man, and she would literally transform into him in front of us- 'us' included two very tough and experienced police officers who admitted to me that they had never seen anything like it in all their years in the force. It is too long a story to go into here, but suffice it to say that it developed into a two year battle with what can only be described as the forces of evil.

    I would beg you all to be careful- those who are strong in will, probably have nothing to fear, but the young and emotionally vulnerable are at considerable risk.

    Heather
     
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    OOB......paranormal.....

    Heather,
    Very glad you wrote that post because I've wondered about the aspect of the paranormal as well. I have never witnessed any thing thus far in my life yet I do find when people come forward without hiding their identity and report some amazing stuff it just makes me wonder. These people often come across as very sincere and in most cases state that they never gave the paranormal any credence before their experiences.
    As a "science based guy" it all just seems so "how the "hell" (no pun there) could any of this stuff be real....but who really knows????:(

    A nice fellow who started LifeFlow around the same time as myself mentioned that he was interested in OOB and has researched it recently. I am hoping that he takes your post to heart and decides to avoid going any further just to be on the safe side.


    shine on

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    Hi Jim,

    Glad you found my post of interest. If you havent read it, get hold of a copy of actor/comedian Michael Bentine's autobiography 'A Door Marked Summer'. It is a very remarkable account of his upbringing with his Peruvian Father who became a renowned scientific researcher of the paranormal. Some of his experiences with the dark forces were literally hair raising to read, although some were also very considerably moving too.

    But reading it might just warn some people of the potential power of the forces they are dabbling with. I would be very curious myself to try astral travel, if I didnt know of the very inherent dangers that it can also attract.

    Heather
     
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