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Discussion in 'Mind, Body & Spirit' started by karen659, Jan 15, 2008.

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  1. Lea

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    Well, first of all, thanks for the nice answer. I'll try all this things you tell me, trying not to think and rolling off my bed. Maybe what happens is that every time I get the sensations, my heart beatings increase and I get a little bit anxious. Again, thanks.

    EDIT: I finally could separate almost completely from my body. I felt how my arms legs and stomach got like 50 cm over my body, but I couldn't separate my head. By the way, when I tried to roll off my bed, I couldn't, I just felt as if I was somehow stack to my physical body. Must the rolling movement be quick and fast or maybe more continuous and slow.
    Any help?
    THANKS.
     
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  2. karen659

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    12/25/08

    I am writing this experience for the blog, but honestly, am not sure why! This was the first time that I did SO much in one night that I was not able to record it all in a way that I could recall enough details to share! This may even have been a collection of both OBE’s and lucid dreams.

    These are the few details I can remember, but by no means, is it even a fraction of what I did! I can only say the feeling I am left with upon waking this am was that I was everywhere and doing everything!!

    I do remember my first OOB separation last night because of the extreme clarity I had. At some point, I just ‘knew’ I could get up and move out, yet I don’t recall what my signal was. As I moved to the front door, I remember thinking how clear it all was - my thinking, my vision, everything about the separation - that it caused me to think perhaps I wasn’t really OOB!

    As I approached the front door, it’s funny how I do remember my thoughts as, “well, if I’m not OOB, then I’m in for rude awakening as I slam into the front door!” I somehow knew that just the confusion of whether I was truly OOB or not was generally enough to just ‘go with it’ and try to walk through the door! Of course, despite the clarity of thought and vision as if I was completely wide awake, in fact I was OOB and can even remember the texture change as I passed through the door to the outside! (This clear awareness and confusion as to whether OOB or ‘real life’ I think is a major reason many people do not think they are OOB – it feels just the same!)

    Unfortunately, once out, that is where my recollection is limited, except for the fact that I know I met many people in many different places. Initially, I remember just ‘exploring’ again, feeling the texture changes as I floated through the trees, down to the ground and placing my arms into the earth, and in general, just having fun!

    Another time, I remember seeing my dog Buddy accompany me, as he just glided off the porch to catch up with me! There was another scene where I vaguely remember other dogs (2-3 of them) and Buddy around me, yet these other dogs were nipping at my hands and feet! I recall the ‘tingly’ sensation as they ‘bit’ my hands and feet – all the time knowing I couldn’t be hurt, but reveled in the fact that there was a noted ‘sensation’ as they tried to bite!

    Another time I recall ‘waking’ to my husband coming down the stairs, yet knew that I had to remain still as this is frequently a false awakening (which it was again!) I remember hearing the sound of radios playing, another common signal that I am not really awake, and need to remain quiet to see what happens next! Of course, more did happen, but all I know is that I thought I was recording as much as I could on my recorder, trying to recall details, and then fully awakening a short time later to see that I did NOT record anything! All the details were lost!

    The only other small memories I recall was that I was inside this old building (tower-like with a Chicago feeling) and while exploring, heard something above me. I knew I could just pass through the ceiling to get there, so I did! As I floated up, I was actually INSIDE the metal structure of the building, astonished at the intricate detail and scrollwork of the metal framing! At one of the top floors, I was directed to a doorway where other people were entering and heading for a ‘magic show’ of some type. I entered, and sat down with others to watch the show, and recall there was something at this table just for me…but what I don’t know!

    The last small recollection I had was that I was at a college and going to my classes with a group of other people. While there, I was fine, attending class as usual, as long as I stayed with my group. However, I became separated from them and no longer knew where to go on this big campus to get to class! I remember asking someone, ‘why don’t they have maps for people to use at this college?’ and then realized having a map would not help me anyway because I didn’t even have my schedule of classes that would tell me where to go!

    I am sorry I don’t have more to share this time, however, perhaps someone somewhere can learn something from these experiences.
     
  3. karen659

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    My first recollection is that I could clearly see numbers/letters on a piece of paper while lying on the couch. There were two sets four (61dl r???) and because it felt like ‘astral vision’ it made me aware of being in altered state. I can see I have a piece of paper in my hand and am writing these numbers down (as I used to do before my recorder!) when someone in the house (my husband?) came to me to see what I was writing because they knew I traveled from here and wanted to know what I was up to.

    This person then walked to the kitchen and I became aware of my ‘exit signal’- my right leg rising up! I remember thinking (since I wasn’t sure this wasn’t all “real”), that I’d wait for it to rise up high enough that I knew I couldn’t possibly do that in real life!! lol Sure enough, it went clear over my head, and after a few seconds hesitation (because I thought someone was nearby), I just said, ‘heck with them, I’m outta here!’

    I rolled out off couch, stood next to fireplace, and remember looking to see if I could tell who it was in the kitchen.

    Not wanting to dwell on that issue, I quickly remembered I had set the intention to go see the rings on Saturn as a goal if OOB. With this thought, I immediately zoomed straight up through ceiling to blackness. I could feel the moving sensations, a slight shaking and intensity of feelings (energy sensations?) as I continued on for a very long time!

    It was long enough to think ‘let’s try something!’, so I put my arms out in Superman pose, then to the sides, then thought, ‘I’ll be different this time and lie on my back as I move!’ Still feeling this movement through blackness, I thought I’d try rolling over to put my feet first, which I did!

    This shows how long I ‘felt’ to be in this moving blackness, and even had the time to think, ‘well if I wanted it to be a shorter trip, all I have to do is expect to be there!’

    At that point, I slowed as I see I’m moving through various rooms below me. It was dark in the rooms, as if a movie theatre, as there were small ‘lights’ lining the room near the ceiling where I was. All these people were below me in the room, and upon reaching the front, still up high, I very clearly see two (three?) women come up from below, exuberantly saying “Hi! Hello! Welcome! SO nice to meet you!”

    They were SO happy to see me, and I then realized the entire crowd below me was saying “hello and welcome!” I was a bit taken aback with the clarity of their features and their overwhelming need to get my attention. (I did not feel these were ‘higher entities’ but others who existed in this “belief system” below.)

    I moved onto another room without further interaction and saw this room had chairs lined up as if in a classroom. It was no longer dark, and there were men scattered about seated in these chairs. I felt as though it was a ‘math/numbers’ type lecture they were having, however upon my arrival, their interest turned to me. I was caught up in their curiosity and found myself down at their level, being pushed and pulled uncomfortably. I immediately said “that’s enough!”, and found myself into another dark room.

    This one was a theatre, as I could see they were watching a movie screen. I asked one what was playing, and he answered something to the effect, “10000 Leagues Under the Sea(?)” but he explained it was all about how the afterlife works. He told me that everything is really SO much simpler than how it is portrayed in our movies – that we add so much gore and emotion to it.

    I started fading back at this point and used my key word associations to recall these details as best I could. I still feel more information was given to me, however, it was in ‘feelings’ and very difficult to put into words.

    The next sequence of events starts with a dream type experience where I was once again in college and concerned about the loss of my Math notebook and therefore my Math class, scheduled for 4th period. I distinctly recall I had no difficulty with the first 3 classes, and now that it was time for Math, I had no idea where my notebook was nor where the class was to be held! I then realized that may have been because I had ‘dropped’ this class due to not getting the grades that I felt were adequate enough, so therefore there was no 4th period to go to!

    At this point, I remember I’m on a couch, but it appeared to be in someone else’s house! There were two women there, one left the room to change (?), but the other I remember standing nearby in this ridiculous exercise outfit with such hairy legs!! LOL That was enough for me to realize that I’m once again in an altered state, and realize my own legs are rising again!

    This time, before I could roll out, I find this small ‘energy ball entity’ moving about all over my body, as if annoyingly playful. This ‘ball’ is telling me things like, ‘you really shouldn’t be traveling all about’ , ‘it’s not safe’, and ‘you really don’t need to be traveling’…(the feeling associated with it was as if it was a bit of a nuisance, but in a playful way).

    I politely responded with “yes, but I like to travel, that’s how I learn! It teaches me things!” It continued to playfully annoy me for a bit longer, and when I had enough I just said, ‘that’s ok’ and intentionally sent it love…and saw that it completely disappeared!

    Now I’m trying to get my leg to rise again, but the astral vision kicks in again. I clearly see someone’s bedroom – a bed with a flat thin medium brown solid headboard, quilt-like bedcovering with curved images on it (patchwork type circles?) and a dresser next to it. The bed was empty, and no one was around and I fade to wakefulness.

    The last recall I have is that I am on a small bus (school?) on a country lane, and looking out the back window, can see two cows running after the bus! (I have to say here that there was a lot more going on that I was not able to recall).

    I knew I was ‘out’ and having set the intention of using ‘Inward Now!’ (since my travel to Saturn didn’t work out!), I picked my feet up and attempted to spin. I spun in place, and as I did, I could hear voices talking (the words were fuzzy as if on a loudspeaker) but am not able to remember what they said! I do recall that the spinning continued until I actually felt queasy!

    When the spinning stopped, I’m back on this bus with children, and see three young boys (ages 12-14?) in the seat in front of me turning back to talk to me. There is a girl sitting to the left of me. Now I feel as though I am ‘inside’ the body of a child in this bus, and can feel very concerned that I may say or do the wrong thing. I just stayed very still, not moving, and I could see that they were looking at me, watching something that I had with me. They were talking to me, but I felt I could not interact because I was ‘not really that person’. I recorded the fact that I thought they used the word ‘terrorist’(?).

    Next recall is that I am trying to get something recorded, and had difficulty with my vision while I was fumbling for the buttons. (At the time I thought it could have been due to the fact that I was in ‘both worlds’ and trying to physically move while maintaining the altered mindstate.)

    I don’t know what I was talking about on the recording, but I understood it at the time. Now, I hear the alarm clock going off in my son’s room, and realize that I was NOT recording and was going to lose everything! I attempted to stay in that mind frame to pull out any details, but since I was awakened so quickly with the alarm, I actually felt uncomfortable being both ‘in and out’. Once again, SO much was lost upon full awakening.

    The one thing I find with my experiences lately is this ability to stay both ‘in and out’, or at least the feeling that I am still ‘out there’ yet able to physically know I am here. It’s a bit uncomfortable at times, and it causes much confusion as to what is ‘real’!

    Also, I wanted to explain an insight that I seemed to intuitively understand a bit better, but am not sure I can put into words. When I wanted to go to Saturn, that was fine, but it was more for the physical world learning than for my ‘self’.

    When I attempt to go ‘inward’, I now know that it will be far better for my own learning as I would be traveling within my own ‘planes/levels’ and more toward the ‘true’ aspects of reality. It just seems more ‘correct’ now for me to stop attempting to go places that only satisfy my ‘physical reality’ senses, and seek the inward levels of existence that is a part of ‘me’, which is also a part of ‘true’ reality.
     
  4. Montana Keith

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    Hi Karen,
    I just wanted to let you know that I've read your latest experience. Thank you for recording it. Thank you for the insight you shared in the quote above about "sensing" that exploring inward will be far better for your own learning than attempting to go places "outward" that satisfy your physical reality senses. I don't think it is a question of "either/or." It is more of choosing the time. In speaking of our "inward" and "outward" journeys, I like this quote from the Gospel of Thomas.

    "The Gospel of Thomas"
    (22) (1) Jesus saw infants being suckled. (2) He said to his disciples: "These little ones being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom." (3) They said to him: "Then will we enter the kingdom as little ones?" (4) Jesus said to them: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside and the above like the below - (5) that is, to make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female will not be female - (6) and when you make eyes instead of an eye and a hand instead of a hand and a foot instead of a foot, an image instead of an image, (7) then you will enter [the kingdom]."
     
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    Thank you Keith for this post...and your own insight that it is not an 'either/or' process but one that incorporates both when the time is right.

    There is so much to learn, and with every experience I seem to find something that shows me I am progressing (although many times I have no idea WHAT I am progressing toward!! lol)

    Thanks again,
    Karen
     
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    First time out I had a very easy exit and remembered immediately that I wanted to go inward to my Higher Self. (I had just read about this interesting aspect of yourself that is in control of what you are here to learn – so I was curious what I’d learn.)

    I did a little jump and spin (not even sure if I needed to, but it gets me going!), and found myself in the long black tunnel moving backwards as I have been many times before.

    However, after a short time in this dark tunnel, I realized there was someone behind me, as I could ‘see’ an arm to the left of where I was sitting. I grabbed the arm, turned around and asked, “Who is here with me?” I saw that it was this young male with a beautiful smile traveling with me!

    I feel he was probably an aspect of my Higher Self, as that is what I asked to do if I got OOB. This male however appeared just a bit different than my other meeting with ‘Richard’ in that I think he had lighter, even reddish tint, to his short hair and a pale, but still handsome and smiling face.

    I did ask if his name was Richard, but he just smiled saying something like “it is if you want it to be!” He really didn’t answer yes or no. So I called him Richard because he was the one taking me, and that was the only name I knew (see previous blog post # 78 on my blog site).

    I was so excited to see I could talk with him and I remember saying, “I have so many questions to ask you!” I remember I had the most wonderful conversation with him, asking him many questions and receiving many answers!

    The only question I remember asking is, “How come I can’t see?” when we arrived at our destination. Although I could see him, I couldn’t see my surroundings at all, just darkness. The feeling I got for an answer was that I was using what I know, using too much of my physical senses, and trying too hard to see with my physical eyes (or something like that). Once I realized what he meant and ‘let go’, I was able to see fully where I was!

    Unfortunately, due to circumstances I believe were planned in advance (read on), I have NO idea where I was, what I saw, or even what we talked about! So frustrating!

    In hindsight, I believe what I experienced next was a way of having me forget what I learned! I understand that perhaps it is not the time for me to know this information at this point in my growth and development here in the physical, so I have to be patient and just trust that all is as it should be.

    What did happen next was quite confusing at first. I remember being SO excited as the ‘pull back’ transition to consciousness was happening, thinking I wanted to get all this wonderful information recorded quickly! I reached for my recorder, started recording but then realized my recorder was in pieces!!

    Now, I have had this ‘false awakening’ happen enough times before that I was able to remember (finally!) that it probably was NOT “really” broken, but another false awakening! So I reached over to where I KNOW I put my recorder, (rolled up in my sleeve) but then was SO surprised to suddenly feel like I rolled right off the couch!!

    I’m thinking, ”What is this? Why am I on the floor?” I stand up and wonder, ‘am I really awake and standing or am I OOB?’ I am so confused, but I have to figure out what’s going on, so I start moving toward the front door. (I should have realized that the fact that I had to question it should have confirmed the idea I was truly out, but no…I just continued on!)

    I felt so close to physical, I was confused and then I actually felt my foot hit something in the room as I move! This ‘feeling’ just added to my confusion! (This may have been to try to convince me I was ‘really’ awake.)

    At the door, I say, “Well I’m just going to take a chance and try moving through the door to the outdoors (again knowing I’ll either pass through it or get a nice bump on the head! lol)

    I ‘dive’ through the front door, with an elated sense of satisfaction when I realize I’m AM passing through it! I knew it! (I was right to just continue on without stopping!)

    However, now I’m passing through the door, head first (that was new!) and going at such a slow glacial pace that I’m wondering what is going on?! I moved so slowly, almost as though I’m feeling every single atom and molecule!

    As I finally get completely through and stand on my front step, I am absolutely awed by the beauty of my front yard!! It was almost as if it ‘opened up’ to reveal an immense field of beauty and depth. I looked up into the most spectacular sky, one that seemed to ‘move’ into infinity! I could see the blue sky as it changed into outer space with stars and planets then entire universes! It was utterly amazing to see! I felt so swept up with being a part of it all!

    Realizing I still need to take advantage of being out, I move up into the yard, floating to the trees once again to feel the leaves (to be certain I can) and the joyous freedom of movement I have! I remember thinking, ‘oh, I miss this SO MUCH!’

    As I look beyond the hill, I see what appeared to be fireworks shooting off, and I’m pleased to think that they were set off for my benefit! (I guess it seemed to fit my emotional reaction – so that was my thought! Lol)

    However, as I moved up the hill out of my front yard and closer to the fireworks, I became aware of some sort of transition. I could see adults on the hillside below me and children running through the field toward the fireworks.

    Now, I get a sense of foreboding, as I also see these explosions are no longer fireworks, but have the appearance of ominous artillery firing and bombs exploding! I fear for the children who are getting closer to them so I try to warn the adults to go gather the children! I move down and take one child back to the parents and see that the others are being collected by their parents. There does not seem to be any fear here, however.

    Not wanting to stay in this area, I move back to the safety of my own yard and see my usual road at the end of the driveway. Feeling like I’m in familiar territory once again, I move down the driveway to the road. Along this country road, I do a little flip, float backwards, and then see a car traveling below me. I waved hello to them but without any response. As I turned back, I saw the corner of my usual road turn into an intersection that was vaguely familiar.

    I was now above a city-type street, one that had many roads converging into it. The next I know I’m inside this building, moving down a hallway past many rooms or areas. I know I have been here before as it has a very familiar feeling to it. The words “Circuit City” came to my mind, but I have not idea what the connection is.

    As I go past this one area where there are displays and shelves, I wave to a familiar smiling man who is inside, waving back. I move to the next area where there are children playing on some toys, yet I stay in the hall area without interacting, just looking into these individual rooms.

    At the end, I move into this one room with a few young men inside with tables/displays of some sort. They were working there, and I move up to this one young male and starting talking quite flirtatiously with him! I remember saying, “did anyone ever tell you that you were quite cute?” and such…all the time, feeling like this is something this young man needs for his self-image and outlook.

    He was quite shy, and I saw ‘through him’ at one point that he had a very jaundiced sickly look to his face. I realized he must have had some sort of liver disease that may have contributed to his lack of positive self-image. I remember thinking that my actions were not for MY needs, but that it was something this young man desperately needed. I transitioned to full wakefulness at this point, trying to recall so many of these details!

    I had the feeling that this second experience was probably a way of having me forget what I learned in the first experience with Richard/Higher Self. I KNOW I received so many answers that I was looking for, because I can remember that I was SO excited to start recording that experience when I noticed my broken recorder (which really it wasn’t!!). By creating an immediate confusing transition and having a more involved second part, I would then want to try to remember all those other details and forget what we talked about!

    This was a very interesting OBE, as I can see that I have learned some level of ‘knowing’ when it is a false awakening (broken recorder), yet I still have difficulty when I am close to physical in knowing I’m OOB. Thankfully, I don’t stop and question my situation, and that helps.

    Being with my guide/Higher Self was extremely powerful, as I still feel that excitement and emotion that persists after my visit. I only wish I had some of the answers that I know I received from him!
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    As always, anyone with any insight, I'm very thankful for your feedback!
    Thanks,
    Karen
     
  7. Montana Keith

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    Wow!!

    Hi Karen,
    What an AMAZING experience! Thanks so much for taking time to record it here. I’m sure you’ve heard this quote before:

    “We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.” T. S. Eliot

    The quote reminds me of you and of the “fun and joyous” way that you’re learning to go about your exploring. Here is another quote from a book about another explorer’s forays in the “unknown”:

    Fortunately we have one simple and reliable test of our position to which at any time we can refer ourselves. That is our state of mind. By and large, leaving aside the small mosquito-annoyances, if we are not having a peaceful, carefree, normal time on our way, count on it, we are headed for the swamp. Nervousness and depression and depletion, or exaltation and elation and extravagance: these should alike be recognized as danger signals. First aid is to take off the pressure. (From “Across the Unknown” by Stewart Edward White)

    The following three quotes—followed by my comments—from your latest experience resonated with me strongly:

    START QUOTE: I was so excited to see I could talk with him and I remember saying, “I have so many questions to ask you!” I remember I had the most wonderful conversation with him, asking him many questions and receiving many answers! :END QUOTE

    START QUOTE: In hindsight, I believe what I experienced next was a way of having me forget what I learned! I understand that perhaps it is not the time for me to know this information at this point in my growth and development here in the physical, so I have to be patient and just trust that all is as it should be. :END QUOTE

    The above statement reminds me of a stanza from the hymn “O My Father” by Eliza R. Snow.

    For a wise and glorious purpose
    Thou hast placed me here on earth
    And withheld the recollection
    Of my former friends and birth;
    Yet ofttimes a secret something
    Whispered, “You’re a stranger here,”
    And I felt that I had wandered
    From a more exalted sphere.


    Your thoughts about why you couldn’t remember this conversation with “Richard” make good sense to me. I like what you wrote: “I have to be patient and just trust that all is as it should be.” Beautifully said! I’ve always liked these words:

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
    A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
    A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
    A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
    A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
    A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
    A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
    A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
    (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8)

    START QUOTE: As I finally get completely through and stand on my front step, I am absolutely awed by the beauty of my front yard!! It was almost as if it ‘opened up’ to reveal an immense field of beauty and depth. I looked up into the most spectacular sky, one that seemed to ‘move’ into infinity! I could see the blue sky as it changed into outer space with stars and planets then entire universes! It was utterly amazing to see! I felt so swept up with being a part of it all! :END QUOTE

    The words above are so beautiful; they are poetic. It was like for a brief moment you were seeing right into the heart of creation itself. WOW!!!

    I notice your increasing ease with exploring and your increasing awareness with each of your posts here. I’m so happy for you. Take care. –Keith :)
     
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    Thanks Keith for this post!

    It always makes my day to have someone respond in such a way to what I have experienced. It was such an amazing experience that I worried I would not be able to described it adequately - but maybe I did ok! lol

    Your insights are always appreciated, as they show me there is a 'connection' to all that has been and all that will be. Thank you for that...

    I will continue to do my best to share everything I experience, good ones and boring ones....you just never know who may learn something! Even one person progressing forward is 'reward' enough....as we help even one, we help ourselves!

    Thanks again,
    Karen
     
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    Unsuccessful OBE vs. symbolic dream

    Jan 15,2009 Las Vegas Dream ( I was on vacation in Vegas!)

    My first realization was that I was on this moving train, watching the countryside go by and thinking, “wow, this is just like what I see when I’m OOB!” (Of course, this was my signal that I was OOB, but I just went on enjoying the train ride (!) – as the train was one of my very first signals when I started going OOB) I do remember seeing people that we passed by, including someone shooting a metal bow and arrow at us!

    Next memory is of being underwater (!) and seeing this picnic table, thinking, “wow, that’s unusual for someone to put a picnic table underwater!” Again, an anomaly that should have been my signal that I was OOB, but no, did I remember??!?! Lol I remember I was learning how this table was put together, and I was with this small child trying to figure out how it all works! I even see this goldfish swimming by to seal the fact that I am underwater, but I never make the connection that I should question my surroundings! Another lost opportunity….

    Next I see a large gas truck on fire (!) in the center of the town where I live. I was helping a female (me?) put the fire out, which I thought we were successful doing, but in looking under the truck I could see a small glow, indicating it may re-light!

    I remember I tried to put this small glow out with some sort of odd liquid (soy sauce?) but when the truck started moving, this other female wanted to steer it down the hill out of the center of town to a safe area in case it did explode.

    Now I’m standing across the street from this same spot where the truck on fire was, watching this large three story house burning! I felt it belonged to this same female as I met with the truck. It was a mass of flames, and I could see the front door and windows implode, thinking it was unusual that it was imploding instead of exploding outward. I was concerned that I was perhaps standing a little to close (across the street) for safety, as the heat from the flames were going to be intense. I was thinking maybe we should even evacuate the people from the houses around me as well.
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    I know this was a failed OOB, as I didn't pick up on the fact that I was out despite the many signals! However, since it also seems to have a lot of symbolisms I thought I'd share it here. This is what I found online - maybe someone else can help me decipher this more! Thanks in advance...Karen

    DREAM SYMBOLISM found at Dreammoods.com (and my comments):

    Train
    To dream that you are on a train, is symbolic of your life's journey and suggests that you are on the right track in life and headed for the right direction. Alternatively, you have a tendency to worry needlessly over a situation that will prove to work out in the end. (BINGO! That’s me)

    Bow And Arrow
    To see a bow and arrow in your dream, represents a combination of female and male energies. It may refer to your libido or some sexual energy/desire. Alternatively, it symbolizes anger, aggression, or tension. This dream symbol may also be a metaphor that you are aiming for perfection. (Again, me!)
    Metal
    To see metal in your dream, signifies strength and character. It may also symbolize the inhumane side of society. Consider the exact type and shape of metal and what you were doing with it. (Hmm, they were shooting me with it! giving me some?)

    Water
    To see water in your dream, symbolizes your unconscious and your emotional state of mind. Water is the living essence of the psyche and the flow of life energy. It is also symbolic of spirituality, knowledge, healing and refreshment. (It was trying to show me I was within my subconscious – time to get out!! Lol)
    Underwater
    To dream that you are underwater, suggests that you are feeling overcome with emotions and are in need of greater control in your life. You may be in over your head regarding some situation.

    Table
    To see a table in your dream, represents social unity and the potential for a meeting or gathering. It refers to your social and family connections. (no idea on this one! )
    Goldfish
    To see a goldfish in your dream, foretells of wealth and many successful and pleasant adventures. (I’ll take it, but at the time, I felt it just meant as a reinforcement that I was truly underwater)
    Fire
    Depending on the context of your dream, to see fire in your dream can symbolize destruction, passion, desire, illumination, transformation, enlightenment, or anger. It may suggest that something old is passing and something new is entering into your life. Your thoughts and views are changing. In particular, if the fire is under control or contained in one area, then it is a metaphor of your own internal fire and inner transformation. It also represents your drive and motivation. (could be anything!)
    To dream that a house is on fire, indicates that you need to undergo some transformation.
    To dream that you put out a fire, signifies that you will overcome your obstacles in your life through much work and effort. (seems like whatever I’m changing to will be successful at least! Lol)

    Flame
    To see a flame in your dream, symbolizes purification.
    To dream that you are fighting flames, signifies that you will need to invest your best efforts and energy in your road to success and wealth. (but it seems this transformations is going to take some work/effort! Lol)

    Tanker
    To see a tanker in your dream, represents the need to defend yourself and stand up for your beliefs without being confrontational or violent. Alternatively, the tanker may symbolize a threat. (???)

    House
    To see a house in your dream represents your own soul and self. Specific rooms in the house indicate a specific aspect of your psyche. In general, the attic represents your intellect, the basement represents the unconscious, etc (…and my house was on fire! yikes!)
     
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    Hi everyone! Ok, I have had some new experiences lately, and have not had the time to write them up, as I felt they were more 'dream-like' or less interesting than my usual experiences.

    However, upon writing them up, I see there can be some interesting aspects that some may have more insight on. So I'm going to share them all!

    For a little background, I have been in contact with another OBE'r from another country, one that is five hours ahead of me. He is an ex-Qigong instructor and well versed with energy and chakras. I tell you this because it pertains to aspects within this 'connection' dreams I feel I made with him.

    I know some will think I am 'pressing' the 'coincidence' connection a bit, but MY feelings are that I indeed make a connection and just wanted to share. I have only sporatic memories of the 'dream' so this is the best I can recall and it is NOT written as I usually do (with good grammar!) as it is not easy to write about...lol

    1.21.09

    He was the last crew member from TV series left – felt like Doc McCoy from Star Trek - he was taking over role (?)- had silver suit on- said,”come see this with me” and took this other person with me to a tree where there were two birds on limb - male and female - one with bright orange and white (spike) comb on head - eating something green (beans?), something about Star Trek “I’m Capt Kirk, US Enterprise” is what the bird says but in bird language, their voice.

    I said, “Hello ‘Capt Kirk US Enterprise!’” playfully back, then third person comes back to us as we are all done seeing this wonderful event (?), saying “time to take you back to Earth”. We were on a space ship, walking into other room I get feeling we are being ‘captured’? – as I saw something out the side window that maybe was hooking onto us (?), next thing I know the other person with me - he is unconscious with a mask over his face and can’t be aroused. I feel I have this plastic mask being placed over my face, am barely able to breathe, but had a small bit of my lower lip out so I could breathe - trying to get the third person’s attention to help us.

    Now half awake with spinning strong right palm - tried to move energy, thinking of N.J. and how he would do it, powered up and moved it, but because too awake - woke completely up.

    Key points to link to N.J.:

    -Recorder dropped on floor just before bed, I had to search for - reminder to use?
    -I don’t usually wake at 12:30 am after only 2 hours sleep (would coincide with N.J.’s waking time)
    -Star Trek reference – link to N.J.’s astronomy interest? ( I rarely watched this show!)
    -Bright orange/green in tree (reference to his association of himself as tree frog in email we had)
    -birds (flying objects?)
    -Other one invited me up – N.J. asleep first?
    -Mask on my face barely able to breathe = not completely ‘unconscious’ of experience (as other male was) so I am able to ‘talk’ about it?
    -Immediate thoughts of N.J. upon awakening with new energy movements he showed me being active

    Narration from start of Star Trek series: “Space... the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before”

    Wow, does THIS statement does fit my experiences!!! :eek: lol

    Thanks for reading and any insights,
    Karen
     
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    1/23/09

    This is another experience I had, once again waking at the unusual time of 12:30am after just a few hours sleep! While I was lying there, trying to get back to sleep, I figured I’d try to ‘play’ with the new energy visualizations that I had just learned about from another OBE’r. (see next entry for details)

    I realize I am able to get the energy circling once again in my palms, visualizing it powering up my system. At some point, I then realize I’m in full vibrations, and am able to make them stronger and weaker upon command. At one point, I get them almost to the point of being painful, but I knew I was in control.

    I feel the floating sensations, and see hypnagogic images forming, mostly geometric shapes, again remaining fully in control and playing with them until I feel a sensation on my feet! I have no memory of separation, yet I am now aware of tapping and playful moving of my right toes.

    I realize somehow they are a young child’s hands, playing with my feet, so I take my left foot and start tickling the little boy (about age 2-3) who I now see hanging onto my right foot! I pick him up and bring him up on the bed, all the time tickling and playing with him, enjoying his laughter and the fun we are having. (In the recording, I mention that I cannot recall what else we did, but we did do other fun things together for a while)

    At the next recall, the experience became more dream-like because I noticed the boy seemed to get older in age. I was not sure what to do with him, and got up to take him to the door that appeared. He wasn’t letting go, and he stood there forlornly looking at me, not wanting to go through this doorway!

    Realizing he was ‘just a child’ in spite of his looks, I felt I had to take control and I opened the door and pushed him into the next room! Closing the door quickly behind him, I told him, “I have to think for a minute!” because I was really not sure what to do next!!

    Standing there, I could see through the ‘wall’ into the room, and watched as he took off into the room (again as a young child of 2 or 3), so I opened the door to go in with him. I am astounded to see my OWN two sons in the room (both as young children of ages 3 and 5 – not 25 and 27 as they are today!)

    My older son is playing with blocks, laughing as he knocks them down. My younger son is playing quietly off to the side, and this new young boy is hold what looks like a vacuum cleaner!! He’s making ‘vacuum’ noises as he plays with it, and I remember thinking, ‘gee, I should really turn it on and put him to work!’ lol All three boys were playing independently, yet together…that was the feeling. At this point I awaken, and record what I remember.

    What is interesting here is that I remember a previous experience where a woman was thanking me for my boys and how much they helped her son when they were younger (see #12 in blog posts). I have no idea if it is the same reference, but I am still very happy to know my boys are helping others as well! (even though they may not know it!)
     
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    1.25.09
    Early AM OBE with Full Control

    This experience was unique in many ways as you will read shortly. The major difference is that I had the luxury of staying in bed after waking, and to use this time for some energy work and visualizations in hopes of getting OOB.

    Thanks to N.J., I used a little different energy visualizations in that my in-breath would pull the white light into my second chakra from both my head and my feet, and then the out-breath would send this energy up and down throughout my body. The sensation of circling in my palms was then a signal that I was about to be in the proper mindset, so I used my affirmations of ‘mind-awake, body-asleep…now I am out of body!’ to emphasis my intentions.

    Remember I was visualizing different scenes when an 18 wheel tractor-trailer truck with painted sides appeared in front of an area I was looking at. The painted sides of the truck completely blended in with background, with a stone wall appearance rising above a body of water painted on the truck.

    As the truck moved in front of the area I was in, it completed blended in with the scenery and I was unable to see the truck! I then moved forward, and the truck became apparent again, so I moved back to marvel at how amazing this total camouflage was! With my position, I could make the truck completely hidden and then move forward to see that it was only an illusion.

    In hindsight, this may have been a preparation for me to move into the next scene. I next remember looking at the beautiful waterfall that was flowing across a large lake from where I was standing. As I love waterfalls, I wanted to get closer and somehow I KNEW I was able to move into this scene if I wanted to. At the same time, I also KNEW I was lying in bed, in the exact position that I really was in!

    Wanting to see this waterfall, I just ‘pushed’ forward into the scene, and immediately heard the rushing, windy sounds of separation! This loud blowing sound I have heard many times before and I knew at this point I was separating!

    However, this was NOT as easy an exit as my usual roll-outs! I was tugging and pushing so hard, hearing that wind, and focusing on that waterfall to try to control my movements! I feel I am succeeding in separating, but I find myself veering off from over the lake toward a building on my left that is on the edge of the lake.

    I am now standing next to this building by the lake, knowing the waterfall is around the corner of the building to my left, so I enter the water. I immediately ‘feel’ the change in texture as I glided into the water, and take the time to go completely under to feel the difference. I put my head partially out, and still remember the different sensations I had being just partially submerged.

    This exit is different also in that I FULLY KNOW that I am out of body, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever and I am enjoying knowing this fact and using it to explore instead of just ‘letting go’ and ‘following along’ with whatever happens to me.

    Now I want to get to the waterfall, and as I know I can move without swimming/walking, I just push ahead through the water, but I’m moving so slowly! I remember worrying that maybe I’m moving so slowly because the water is so ‘thick’ and heavy, so I think ‘jet-ski’ to try to make my movements faster! lol It worked!

    (The belief we all have that we can’t ‘walk’ on water is quite difficult to overcome! This may also have been the reason I did not go into the water initially, but had to be steered toward the land next to the building at the water’s edge.)

    I move to the area where I saw the waterfall, but when I get there, there is NO waterfall! I sense that I am to make the waterfall appear, so I visualize it and watch as it appears!! I can feel the water now flowing down and I play in the turbulent water as it hits the lake! (I do remember, though, that the waterfall I visualized certainly wasn’t as beautiful as the one I had seen initially!! lol)

    Interestingly, my husband appears on the bank of this lake and yells to me something about getting a good bargain on a ‘case of nuts’ (!) he bought from his friend Dave. (I do think again this may have been MY belief somehow that I know my husband thinks I’m ‘nuts’ when I tell him about my adventures! lol) He also said something about, ‘well, I see you decided to put in a lake instead of a pool!’ as if we had been discussing this new addition!

    I began to feel that transitional pullback and quickly made my key words in reverse order to help me remember as much detail as I can. Despite my best efforts, after recording I could not get back into as deep a mindset as I needed to return.

    This experience was so different from my usual nighttime OOBs – I had that ‘dual consciousness’ initially knowing I was both in bed, yet able to go into my scene. I had a more difficult separation this time with the rushing noises, but with full awareness of separating. I was able to maintain full control at all time, never having to just ‘let go’ and allow things to happen.

    As I have mentioned, I can also see that my ‘beliefs’ play a big part of what I experience – hence the reason many have such a difficult time in learning to navigate the astral experience. It has taken me a long time to get even this far as I know I am still a novice in learning these new realms!
     
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    Hi Karen,
    Thanks for recording and sharing your latest two OBE's here. I especially enjoyed reading the OBE of 1.25.09 with "full control." The following excerpt reminded me of something I read in Stewart Edward White's The Betty Book earlier:

    START QUOTE: I move to the area where I saw the waterfall, but when I get there, there is NO waterfall! I sense that I am to make the waterfall appear, so I visualize it and watch as it appears!! I can feel the water now flowing down and I play in the turbulent water as it hits the lake! (I do remember, though, that the waterfall I visualized certainly wasn’t as beautiful as the one I had seen initially!! lol) END QUOTE

    Betty White, Stewart Edward White's wife, with the assistance of some spiritual guides they termed the "invisibles" made some amazing journeys in consciousness like you are doing. The following is an excerpt about her experience in creating with the substance of thought. I sense you are getting closer to doing more of this type of creation yourself as you go OBE. Anyway, thanks again for sharing. I wish you safe and happy journeying. --Keith :)

    AN EXCERPT FROM THE "BETTY BOOK":

    That was all. By this time I had learned that when a subject was dropped, the abandonment was deliberate and in order to avoid the danger of coloring. The next attack was by a symbolic example of actual creation in the substance of thought. They showed Betty—or symbolized in pictures to her—a tract of land (representing, perhaps, a field of potential effort and development). Here is her running report:

    "It's wilderness work; conquering natural forces," she said after some preliminary description, "It is chaotic and wild and purposeless, great wasted dormant strength, and I am to do something about it. I am beginning to see things: flowers and things.

    "It is building, and I don't understand it. Wait! It's too difficult to tell you. This is very, very hard. Oh, I feel so helpless I don't understand it, it's too difficult.

    "They're trying to make me know how to go to work at this continent, and I don't understand it. It's the labor question I can't understand. I can't do all the work there myself, any more than I alone could build this place. It's a tough nut! I've got to find out about that. It is BIG! All my relations with other people are there somehow. Up to now it's been solitary.

    "Well, suppose I have a grand big plan, granting that I've had a dream and made a scheme, and called out the thought substance; how am I going to form it? Too important to get this wrong. You can't just sit back and get labor to do it. But you'd have to!

    "I'm making it out of myself somehow. It feels like hard physical work that is done by sweat and toil and energy. It's like breaking down cells in your body, pouring them out of you, making a deposit of concrete construction. Then you rest and accumulate more force, and then you make another projection and deposit of work.

    "It isn't such hard work after all. It becomes a satisfying function. It is very painful now; almost anguish. That's the way it goes. It is analogous to physical toil. Worlds are all built that way, physical and spiritual. Get rid of any idea of 'Let there be' stuff. There isn't any let-there-be process of creation or building. I should say not! They put me to work all right! They say I'll get used to it. They keep pulling it through you, this substance, as through the eye of a needle. You transmute it.

    "That's funny, that's very funny! I've made a start on that continent! I've got SOME work done. I can see it.

    "I can't see why I do it alone. I can’t see why somebody can't help. There's something I've got to do first before I can get help. What is it?

    "It's much easier now, much easier. I can draw it down and get hold of it and shape it, and then step outside of it. Oh, yes, it's quite nice now. It's a pleasure to do it now.

    "Here's another difficult point: There are a number of people hanging around me as if they might help, if I only knew what to do. I've got to figure that out. It looks more like calling out than hiring labor. Depends on your ability to summon, inspire, coagulate, there's a bigger word for it; leadership idea; an attracting power with a big altruistic idea. That's construction over there: that's how you get people to help you.

    "It was so hard at the beginning because it served only individual purpose. It seemed to have been quarried by brute force for individual purpose. There's a lot easier material I can use when I can rise to obeying some law. Pioneers are necessary; you've got to have them; they do big work just fighting their way.

    "That is progress. The main thing is to get the feeling of work, hard labor spiritually. It is especially hard as I am combining two elements; I suffer physically from the spiritual effort.

    "I never thought about toil over there. Of course, that's the first principle of construction. But how you do toil spiritually: and if you don't toil; you're no good. You RENDER yourself somehow. It's too new to me; I'll say it better next time.

    "It seems, vaguely, as if you have to begin on the rock pile, the hardest kind of work, what corresponds to actual physical toil. You exhaust yourself on it; but as you go on, learn how, I hate to use words so foolishly, but I can't find others. As you go on, harmony lifts all the hard part, and you work just as hard without the suffering part of it.

    "My continent was all wild and woolly. I saw it like a map, saw it big. There were masses of stuff that I knew were forests, and big wild rivers with snags. It seemed such a hopeless mass for me alone. I felt so puny. I saw lots of lovely flowers. They said: go ahead and make some sort of plan about it, no matter how poor to start with. That is your measure. I said: the first thing I'll do is to shape myself up a home site, just one little piece that I can manage out of the wilderness. And then I grunted and groaned and felt as though I was being torn asunder; and then it got easier, and I found that a sort of clearing had been made in one little corner. On my piece a sort of right-angled fence was made, an impression of boundary. It surprised me, I didn't know I was doing it. It wasn't an interesting thing to do; but I had to start somewhere.

    "I saw my continent from above as from an airplane, a chaotic, powerful, untamed thing."

    This striking figure they left with us for some time; and when next they took up the Substance of Thought the application was in a direction we are not now prepared to follow. What we wish to emphasize here is the help this concept gives us in visualizing the necessity for elimination.
     
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    Keith,

    Wow, I can almost 'relate' to what she is saying!! I don't know how, but it makes some sort of sense to me!

    Perhaps this is what I am about to begin learning, however, I can see how such baby steps are needed in moving this direction as the sense of being overwhelmed is so easy to feel!

    There is just SO much more to this 'life' than we can ever imagine...but I'm happy to play my small role in bettering myself, as well as sharing whatever I can with those who wish to learn!

    Thanks again for your most insightful post....

    Karen
     
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    how to?

    Hey karen,

    I am new here and to meditation.
    I have read a few of your posts and it sounds interesting, I have a while to go first before even thinking about it.. But purely for a interesting read what was your web link on how to?

    Thanks
     
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    Hi scotland01,
    Just click on the SITE action button on any of karen`s posts in order to access her blog
     
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    Hi scotland01 and welcome to a wonderful 'new' world of experience!

    I keep a blog for the past few years of all my experiences, and it is interesting if anyone has the time to read through it to see how I've developed and grown. (For those who don't want to wade through it all, I have highlighted my favorites to read at the top)

    You can access my blog anytime by clicking the right lower icon that says 'site' under any post, however, I will try to post a direct link to the blog post you request. (It is between #34-35 in 12/07 if for some reason the moderators do not like to have a direct link to it posted.) Here is the link: The Travels of a Dream Walker: My Induction Method In the beginning I didn't number every entry so this is the easiest to direct you to it.

    This entry is only my basic induction method and you can see from a recent entry that I have modified it slightly. But it gives a good overview....there are many other visualizations and such I use depending on my mood. :)

    Just curious, are you actually 'in' Scotland, or just using that ID? It's quite a coincidence that you post when you did for a few reasons. If you want to email me directly (email address on blog site too), I'll fill you in.

    Hope this helps!! Start now with getting the quiet mindset and focus...Keep me posted as to your successes!


    Thanks,
    Karen
     
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    "A Dream"

    Keith’s Dream of Early Morning, Tuesday, January 27, 2009: I awoke at 0300 AM. It’s funny how I often wake up around 0300 AM. I got up went to the bathroom and then got back in bed. I repeated my “personal creed” out loud. This took about 20 minutes. I think I fell back asleep around 0400 AM. When I awoke at a little after 0600 AM, I remembered bits and pieces of my dream. I jotted down a few notes as soon as I got up. I hope that as I write here and now more comes to my memory.

    Before I relate this dream, I want to insert a couple of writings that are significant to me at this time in my life. The first is the poem by Rumi “The Guesthouse.” This poem speaks of the “guests” that come in and out of our awareness, i.e., our “guesthouse.” The second writing is an excerpt from “the Gospel of Thomas.” What it says about making the inside like the outside and the outside like the insideresonates with me. I pause and reflect:

    “I wonder. Are the ‘guests’ appearing in my dream parts of my own inner self? And might they also be—as RUMI puts it—‘guide from beyond?”

    The Guest House

    This being human is a guest house.
    Every morning a new arrival.

    A joy, a depression, a meanness,
    some momentary awareness comes
    as an unexpected visitor.

    Welcome and entertain them all!
    Even if they are a crowd of sorrows,
    who violently sweep your house
    empty of its furniture,
    still, treat each guest honorably.
    He may be clearing you out
    for some new delight.

    The dark thought, the shame, the malice.
    meet them at the door laughing and invite them in.

    Be grateful for whatever comes.
    because each has been sent
    as a guide from beyond.

    -- Jelaluddin Rumi (1207-1273)
    translation by Coleman Barks

    "The Gospel of Thomas"

    (22) (1) Jesus saw infants being suckled. (2) He said to his disciples: "These little ones being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom." (3) They said to him: "Then will we enter the kingdom as little ones?" (4) Jesus said to them: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside and the above like the below - (5) that is, to make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female will not be female - (6) and when you make eyes instead of an eye and a hand instead of a hand and a foot instead of a foot, an image instead of an image, (7) then you will enter [the kingdom]."

    Continuing with my dream: There seemed to be a number of chapters or “parts” to it. I’m not sure of the order in which this chapters or “parts” appeared in my dream. But, maybe order really doesn’t matter.

    Before I start relating my dream, here is a list of the “guests” in my dream and a little about each:

    Doug: He’s the oldest son in our family of seven children. He’s seven and a half years older than me.

    Scott McKinney: He’s the senior pastor of Orem, Utah’s Christ Evangelical Church. Kim and I attended this church regularly for a couple of years after deciding to no longer be active in the Mormon church. Scott is one of the most accepting and nonjudgmental people I’ve ever met.

    Dad: My dad passed away of cancer on August 13, 2002, just six days short of his 87th birthday. He was one of the finest men I ever knew. I miss him every day. His passing and the turmoil surrounding it was the main catalyst that started me on my spiritual quest.

    Uncle George: Uncle George is my mom’s older sister Donna’s husband. He was killed when I was 14 years old. Uncle George was a really quiet man. He never said much. In his younger years he was really active in the Mormon church. I think he may have even served a mission. After he got married, he just quit going. Like Uncle George, I too am no longer active in organized religion. I think we have a lot we could relate about.

    Cousin Bradley: Bradley is Uncle George’s and Aunt Donna’s fifth child of their seven. He’s seven years older than me. Growing up he attended the Mormon church, but was never “crazy” about religion. He never served a mission, and doesn’t have much to do with religion at all now.

    Nephew Chris: Chris Christensen is my older sister Terry and her husband Rick’s second child of their five. He’s about 14 or 15 years younger than me. Like Bradley, he never served a mission, and he’s no longer active in organized religion.

    Mom: My mom is still alive. She will be turning 84 on February 7, 2009. I love my mom, AND sometimes, she can be really exasperating.

    Keith: That’s the name I’m known by. I am the fourth child of the seven children of my mom, Betty, and dad, Berg. I am currently 50 years old. Up to age 46, I was very active in the Mormon faith.

    Whew! What a lot of introductory material. Here’s my dream as I remember it:

    My older brother Doug has come over to our house. He mentions that he visited Christ Evangelical Church. (Note. This is the church that Kim, my wife, and I were attending while we made our transition out of Mormonism.) Doug says something like: “You know, I really liked the music there. It touched my heart.”

    Kim and I are both pretty surprised that Doug made this visit. I ask, “Did you get a chance to meet Pastor Scott. He’s probably one of the kindest and less judgmental people I’ve ever met.”

    As I was saying this to Doug, I was remembering meeting Scott and of the unconditional love and the “many” hugs and loving advice I received from him.

    I next find myself with my dad. We’re standing by a stream. It “kind of” has the feel of the Alice Creek area where we use to go fishing while growing up in Montana. However, there isn’t a lot of surrounding detail. The predominate color is white. Dad and I are standing there side-by-side looking at the smoothly flowing stream as it flows by at our feet. We notice some pretty good size trout swimming by in the water. I notice that we each have a fishing pole in our hands. I start to dig with my hands and gather some worms from the undercut stream bank. From my kneeling down position, I reach up and hand the worms to dad. He puts one on his hook and starts to fish. I get excited as I notice that dad is almost hooking a fish. I get excited to catch a fish myself and slide down the bank—it’s about six feet above the stream—to a bit of land right next to the stream. Dad is to my right and is still fishing. I’m excited. I’m having a hard time getting the fishing line out of my spin cast reel. The dang stuff seems to be stuck. I notice a big trout swimming by, and I want to hook him before he swims away. Unexpectedly, the ground under my feet suddenly gives way, and I slide into the creek and under the water. Strangely enough, I don’t panic. I slide down into water that is about nine feet deep. I remember looking up through the water and seeing dad looking down at me. He seems to reach down to me—not actually physically, but more mentally—and I pull myself “heavily” out of the water. I say heavily because of all my water soaked clothing.


    (Note. Randy, my younger brother, called me at work this morning, January 28th. He asked me if I had any stories to tell. I related the above part of my dream. I also mentioned that as I was meditating this morning, I noticed—unexpectedly—that my body just started to settle and sink deeper. I actually felt it physically doing this. As I was telling this meditating experience of “sinking in,” it struck me that this is very similar to the sinking in of the water in my dream. I’m noticing more of a willingness to trust the process and “let go” and “sink in” the water???.)

    The next part of my dream is kind of fuzzy right now. I’m hoping as I review my hastily jotted notes that it starts to come back to me. As best as I remember, I’m at a family gathering. I’m aware of my Uncle George Warnick’s presence. I don’t actually see him there as I do my other relatives. However, I “sense” him there. Bradley Warnick is there, and he’s telling a story about how my nephew Chris Christensen was almost killed in a car wreck. Something about the collision jarring a “bone” in his throat. Bradley says something to the effect that “if it had only been a fraction of an inch closer, he could easily have choked to death.” In relating this story of the car wreck, Bradley also mentions that Chris’s wife Kari was in the car, and she was also hurt.

    I remember that as Bradley is telling this story, my mom seems to miss the point of the story and starts to make it about her. Coughing and clearing her throat, she says, “You know, I think I may have a ‘bone’ caught in my throat too.”

    I am not really clear about this next part, but it seems that I sense my Uncle George’s presence as I relate the following story to the others who were present in my dream: I say something like: “How would you feel if ‘this”—whatever ‘this’ might be—happened to you and no one really listened or seemed to care?” For some reason, I remember that I used a neighbor and fellow Sun River Valley Ward member, Eldon Gray, to illustrate this story.


    (Note. “Ward” is the term used to indicate a single congregation of the Mormon church.)

    As cousin Bradley is getting ready to go, we walk towards each other. I notice that he’s wearing a white muscle sweat shirt. It’s one he’s torn the sleeves off; they’re not neatly cut off. We give each other a strong “manly hug.” The hug reminds me of the hugs I’ve received from Pastor Scott—so full of “unconditional love” AND of recognition and acknowledgment of “where I’m coming from.”

    Anyway, that was my dream. I have “some” ideas of what it might have been about. However, I sense that I don’t grasp it all. It feels really significant though. I liked it and am glad that I could remember this much of it. I am really grateful for those “guests” who showed up. Regardless of whether they were aspects of my own inner self or that they were actual beings outside myself who assumed “character roles” I could identify with, I acknowledge and thank them for their presence.

    Any insights or interpretation of symbology within the dream is welcome. I'm noticing that I'm remembering my dreams more clearly. I think meditation is a big factor contributing to this. Usually I don't take time to record them because the recording process can be so time consuming. However, like I said before, this dream "feels" significant. Thanks for allowing me to share. --Keith :)
     
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    Advice please

    I was talking with a mate about the gamma tracks Michael is making available on Friday and he said they create the kind of ecstatic states of consciousness, shamanic states or oobe’s that Graham Hancock writes about in his book called "Supernatural". Just wondered if anyone had read this and had any advice ? Thanks in advance Aussie.
     
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    Hi again Keith!

    Seems you are well on YOUR way to having some wonderful experiences as well! I can't help but feel that you truly WERE out of body, especially with the visit with dad, as there is SO much symbolic references to it. If only you could have had the 'awareness' that something was amiss, perhaps you could have continued on in the astral body a bit further. But this was an excellent start!

    First, some dream symbolism, and you can see how it all fits better!

    White
    White represents purity, perfection, peace, innocence, dignity, cleanliness, awareness, and new beginnings. You may be experiencing a reawakening or have a fresh outlook on life.
    Fishing Rod
    To see a fishing rod in your dream, represents your quest and exploration of your unconscious mind. You are ready to confront issues and emotions which you have suppressed.
    Fishing
    To dream that you are fishing, indicates that you are confronting and bringing your repressed emotions to the surface.

    Additionally, water references within experiences almost always (IMO) refer to the subconscious mind, and the 'other world' in which it has access to.
    Water
    To see water in your dream, symbolizes your unconscious and your emotional state of mind. Water is the living essence of the psyche and the flow of life energy. It is also symbolic of spirituality, knowledge, healing and refreshment. If the water is calm, clear, then it signifies that you are in tune with your spirituality. It denotes serenity, peace of mind, and rejuvenation.
    Fish
    To see fish swimming in your dream, signifies insights from your unconscious mind. Thus to catch a fish, represents insights which have been brought to the surface.

    To me, it seems BOTH you and your father are learning new ways of spirit - you while still in physical, and your father after he is in spirit. You help him 'fish' ,(handing him worms) indicating your explorations here are of benefit to him as well. You both grow with new insights into the 'world of spirit'!

    At the point where the 'ground gives way', is a great symbolic gesture of how you may feel (or have felt) when the 'ground you stand on', your basic beliefs and values, are giving way - into the water (subconcious/spirit) and yet it shows you you are able to withstand the change!

    Also, as I mentioned, this COULD have been a point where you may have been able to 'take control' and realize this is something you shouldn't really be able to do! My feeling is that you WERE out of body, visiting with your father, creating the 'scene' with your thoughts and past experiences. This is supported directly by your statements,
    As far as dream recall, you said it yourself,
    Taking the time to record is a key process to having more dreams and more memories to write about!! GREAT job!!

    Hope this helps,
    Karen
     
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