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Discussion in 'Mind, Body & Spirit' started by Panthau, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. Panthau

    Panthau Member

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    Sorry for beeing a bit overactive in the forum atm :p

    I need advice, and im really unsure about it. The problem is, when i come
    down to theta, something is triggered in me which causes extreme nervousness and i dont have any access to that feeling, even EFT doesnt help.

    I already had this 2 years ago when i went to a hypnotist because of my claustrophobia. I went straight into a trance state, and 2 days after that i got panic attacks and extreme nervousness (my stomache feels like fire). There was nothing special about the session, it was quite positive, but beeing in a deeper trance state seems to cause this.
    Now im suffering again from the same after using Lifeflow 7 for about 2 weeks, maybe not as strong as at that time 2 years ago, but still strong enough that this nervousness causes depression, and it just doesnt get any better.

    Im now thinking about what to do. I know no psychotherapist who could be of help, because this seems to be a deeper problem (even the hypnotist couldnt, and he is a well known man here in vienna). I thought about a past-life regression... i have no clue what to do, its just painful atm and i dont want to take any drugs.

    Any thoughts?
    Thanks
    Pan
     
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    Dosage Approach

    Hi Pan,
    You should use LF8 for three days then use LF7 for a shorter time than you were. Then bounce back to LF8 for three days and repeat LF7 use again with same shorter time period. Repeat that sequence for at least a month then start increasing the time of the LF7 session using the same day sequence. Continue that cycle for a month, etc, This would allow a gradual exposure to that entrainment level with the opportunity to perhaps be able to "observe" past events and thoughts in a gradual fashion.

    With the use of LifeFlow we can "ramp" our dosage very precisely unlike other products.

    Just a thought.........


    shine on :) :)

    jim
     
  3. Panthau

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    Thanks for your advice jim, ill do it that way when i start again. The problem is, that i stopped using LF7 about 3 weeks ago and im still a wreck. I switched to 8, which didnt made it any better, with 9 i had a emotional release and with 10 i had totaly derealisation (maybe theres no coherency with that).

    Im afraid of using LF at all atm.... hmpf :-/
     
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    Pan, my friend you have so much to deal with from your childhood. Have you been meditating without entrainment for the last three weeks? You had wanted to "trial" the other entrainment sleep aid sample so much I had no idea that you were having issues.


    take care friend :) :)

    jim
     
  5. Panthau

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    No i have used LF8 the last weeks, but it made it worse it seems. Im not sure if this all comes from my childhood... my girlfriend has had also a very bad childhood, but she isnt nearly a cripple like me.

    I just have no clue what the heck is wrong with me... im sure ill find out in time, its just a bit frustrating, as its now nearly 15 years with anxiety, depression, derealisation and not beeing resilient at all. At times it gets better, thats whats giving me hopes...and LF had the most remarkable effects yet.
     
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  6. pollyanna

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    Hi Pan, I agree with Jim about your childhood issues and I think you're wise in not wanting to take drugs.

    Maybe you could look for a doctor who practices homeopathy and he can prescribe some natural alternative.

    I noticed in another post that you seemed badly affected when you tried positive affirmations - maybe you are very fragile and need to be especially gentle and kind with yourself. Have you tried the gratitude exercise? The one on the free course Discover Meditation is really good to incorporate into your daily life.

    Have you learned how to observe? It's important not to get involved in your story. To observe an emotion is basically the same as observing a thought.The only difference is that while a thought is in your head, an emotion has a strong physical component and so is primarily felt in the body. Allow the emotion to be there without being controlled by it. You are no longer the emotion - you are the observing presence.

    I hope this helps Pan and I wish you much peace and joy :) :) :)
     
  7. Panthau

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    Thanks for your hints and reminder polly, ill take a look at the gratitude exercise.

    No im still not able to take distance from my emotions, although im trying. I had once this ability, but dropped it because i thought its important to be connected to your emotions. Now i cant seem to get back there... gotta find out how that works again.

    Thanks for the tip with the homeopathy, though i dont believe anything would be of help here. I tried so much, also homeopathy, and nothing helped so far. But i´d think that beeing able to take distance from your emotions is the right step, just gotta find out how to do that.

    Thanks again,
    Pan
     
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    Hi Pan,

    From what you describe, you could perhaps seek out a local Timeline Therapy practitioner. Typically, the practitioner will be trained in NLP, Hypnotherapy and Timeline therapy and be able to use all these together to get to the root cause of your issues and re-anchor the negative with positive back in the past. I'm not skilled in that area myself, but I have seen it in use and it's worked amazingly and quickly for issues that aparently had an "unknown" cause.

    ;)

    Hugs

    Giles
     
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    Remind yourself often that, if you can see your emotions, you are notyour emotions, and therefore you can choose to let them go.

    ;)
     
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    Thanks for the tips, GilesC - ill do as you suggested and seek such a therapist imediately. If i find one, ill give feedback if it helped :)
     
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    Pan,

    Try not to compare your childhood to your girlfriends childhood. Sometimes when we compare ourselves to others we minimize our own feelings thoughts and reactions.

    I know it is not easy to do but Polly is so right on about trying to just observe your own feelings. If during your meditation you don't "try" to not feel but instead "allow" yourself to feel but this time without judging it and be very aware of where the feelings come from and be very aware of what the triggers are past and present.

    The NOT judging part is so difficult for me. I am constantly getting mad at myself for still having the same certain thoughts and feelings. "Why aren't I over this yet?" "why me?" "whats wrong with me?" and other very judgemental thoughts. It is because I am still not at peace with my stuff. It is also because there are connections that i still need to make between my stuff and how I am in the world.

    The only other thing I can say is stick to your discipline and keep up with a regular practice and maybe add an exercise regimine to it. The exercise will release additional endorphins.

    Irene
     
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    Hi islovin,

    Thanks for your tips, ill try to integrate that in my meditation. Problem is, that i cant meditate properly anyway in such a emotional state, im just sitting there like a zombie and cant concentrate at all.

    Yes the judging...thanks for making me aware of it again. Im always to hard to myself and judge me all the time... gotta be more aware of that!

    Im visiting a fitness center since 3 months regulary, and i think thats keeping me up a bit... the jogging is very balancing.

    Thanks again,
    Pan
     
  13. Panthau

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    Uhm, i meant "medical drugs", not illegal drugs... i hope i got this right, or is it just called medication? Nevertheless... just wanted to clear that up :)
     
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    Medication, Drugs, same thing.

    I already assumed you meant prescribed drugs rather than illegal. ;)

    Hugs

    Giles
     
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    Pan,

    The Statement "I can't meditate properly." Is another judgement. You are doing it exactly right. The reason it is so difficult at the moment is because you are on the verge of a break through.

    Most people stop just before they reach the next level. Your choice!

    Irene
     
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    Hi Pan, I wasn't specific enough sorry. I understood you to mean prescribed drugs - not illegal ones. The converation between you and Irene made me think - and I think she made a good point.

    If you feel you can, why not sit or lie quietly, do the breathing exercise from the golden threads section and meditate in the same way you have when you've believed your meditation has gone well.

    Try it with and without LF. It doesn't matter whether you think it was good or not - what if it didn't seem like a good meditation but in truth it was one of the best and you didn't do it?

    If you feel too anxious and uncomfortable just being quiet, maybe you could spend some time within nature if that's possible for you. I wish you peace and joy :) :) :)
     
  17. Panthau

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    Hi again,

    No i dont feel uncomfortable at all when meditating, its just that sometimes
    that i feel miserable after the meditation. Its like sleeping at day, and when you wake
    up, you feel like not in your body... everything feels different.

    The message that i cant meditate properly isnt meant to be my next target when
    i meditate. Sometimes its this way and sometimes that way, its just that its not as deep as it could be, but i dont go with that behavior in my meditation - its the opposite.

    Why do you think that im about to break through islovin? Im having this emotionale state since about 15 years, not all the time but here and then.

    Thanks again for your replys and your tips & hints on my situation!
    Pan
     
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    Breakthrough

    Pan,

    I guess because you stopped meditating. I read that people stop meditating sometimes when becomes too uncomfortable and this is usually just when they are on the verge of reaching another level.

    Also, you made it sound like your emotions were happening during meditations.

    I believe, for me, that no matter how "good" or "deep" my meditation may or may not be...It is a discipiline and a practice that i chose to incorporate into my life, and no matter what...I am sticking to it.

    I am extremely grateful everyday that I have adopted this routine. I have stuck to this routine now for just over a year. I AM happier. There is no apparent reason for my new state of being. I can only attribute this new state of being, to my meditation practice.

    All I can say is that anytime I thought about stopping or giving up because it was uncomfortable I made a conscious decision to push through and "ALLOW" whatever comes up during my meditation. Sometimes things would come up after meditating.

    Pan all of it is good(even the uncomfortable emotions that you experience) because believe it or not you are working it through and I applaud you for reaching out in a place where others can guide you. (this forum)

    I hope you don't give up on your practice even if you need to modify it.

    Irene
     
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    Ok i understand, but that was a misunderstanding because i didnt stop meditating, i just thought about it as a possibility to ease my situation for a while. Im just went back to LF9 atm.

    Nope, the real worse feelings never come within the meditation!

    Of course, i understand that. It can be an important ability not to give up when times get harder... i hadnt yet! :)
    Im really happy for you, that meditation works out so well for you! And not only for you, it seems :) :)

    That reminds me on how different our mind can handle things and how different we do experience things. If there would be something to come up in my meditation, im the first one who throws itself into it... with a smile on my face! Thats the way i handle such things, but my problem is that theres an anxiety, a depression, nervosity which is it seems blocked. I have no access to it - at least thats how it feels.

    Thanks :)

    This morning my psychotherapist wrote me something, and i think he leads me on the right path... while my workout today, i realised that i still have a massive wall around me, which i build because of my massive insecurity and my emotional injuries - to not get hurt again. So to say the main ill of humanity hehe... i just wasnt aware of it anymore. I think that could easily be the reason for my problems. The next step would be to find out how i can drop this shield.

    I found out that a great NLP specialist which whom ive worked already, can do the Timeline therapy... ill just give it a few more LF8 or 7 sessions to see if something happens.

    Thank all of you,
    Pan
     
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    Just wanted to say this:

    Everybody has given absolutely brilliant advice here. Islovin, yours stands out, because I can see the immense growth in you from your answers.

    Pan, just wanted to say I think about you and check into this thread daily.:cool:
     

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