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  1. newyorker

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    I am the sales manager of a large company in New York with many years of experience using brainwave entrainment products such as hemisync and holosync. I was recently introduced to Lifeflow by the president of my company. If it wasn't a recommend I would have been more than skeptical. The price suggests an inferior product. I would have missed out in a huge way. I am currently using the first level and it's awesome. The customer care is impressive and I highly recommend Lifeflow to anyone looking to improve their lifestyle. You definately have a superior product here Michael. I wish you great success. NY
     
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    I hope he will not take up your suggestion , and make it more expensive :), and quite frankly (I hope I´m allowed a critical voice) for a downloadable product it is not exactly cheap. Nevertheless, I´ve been surfing the Internet in the past one year for search of this kind of product and you right in that point, compared to most Products , Lifeflow is on the lower scale of the price ladder but certainly one of the best products (I should know, I spend a fortune on those things (the past ten years)
    actually a shame that people think if something is not expensive it can´t be good.
    I´m happy that we low earners, are also allowed to find our bliss hrhhrhr

    So Michael, please don´t listen to that man :D, keep it affordable for every one
     
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    Spot on!!!

    I couldn't agree with you more Newyorker and welcome to this great community. There are many really nice people here experiencing some amazing benefits. Look forward to hearing how Lifeflow continues to give you benefits that will amaze you! ;)

    A big welcome to you tooTelar. I understand how you feel having spent thousands of dollars over years before finding Lifeflow. Your in for a real treat! ;) Lifeflow is definately superior and amazing value, but don't worry - Michael has already more than proved he is in this to help people. He is not a marketeer - just a man on a dedicated meditation mission.

    May you both enjoy your journey of self discovery. Happiness and joy :) :) :)
     
  4. ctutt

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    The Price

    The Price and my perceived benefit were what attracted me. I've been a Holosync Practicioner for more than a year. I do like the progress I've made but I've reached a point of affordability. This community seems to offer the same or similar for much less cost.

    I'm guessing that if I were the "guru originator" of anything and I didn't know how big my audience may be, I would start off with a low price. Even if there were VERY LARGE DEMAND, a low price would overwhelm and more good people would be reached. Many would then raise price. Would I? I don't know. I think it may be topic or situational dependent. What do you think?
     
  5. Ayesha

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    The Price

    "I'm guessing that if I were the "guru originator" of anything and I didn't know how big my audience may be, I would start off with a low price. Even if there were VERY LARGE DEMAND, a low price would overwhelm and more good people would be reached."..

    I found this as I was going through...and agree that I would start off with a low price even if there were very large demand. If we have something to offer that can benefit the community, why not allow everyone to try it by eliminating price barriers, after all this is the purpose of humanity during our brief existence on earth. Subconciously, we all want to promote what's good and what's working for us. This is our soul / spiritual self that's driving our purpose. When you leave this earth, you take nothing except your deeds. Michael has done a great job by making his product affordable and impacting a larger community.
     
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  6. Coenrad Morgan

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    My honest preferance is Life Flow

    Hi,

    The personal development industry is just that, AN INDUSTRY and due to humanity, its failings and an ingrained need to improve our circumstances and an entrenched belief in something "out there" bigger than ourselves (that has shown up in cave drawings, religions and even in our language, "God Willing" in English, InshAllah in Arabic) that has the power to make life easier, heal our bodies, minds, relationships, provide comfort if we can only find it, communicate with it, appease it; we create a market.

    The demand is created by our neediness, our cravings and aversions, simply put, our humanity, the supply is thus offered in a myriad of forms, instant fix's, books, work shops, audio programs....product after product after product, MANY exploiting our humanity and subsequent failings, all claiming to have the answer if you HAVE THE MONEY, "God" for sale.

    I wanted to learn to meditate, an old man who's council I sought likened a human being to his expensive Hi-fi set, huge potential but utterly USELESS unless "plugged in" to the electrical grid, meditation he said, was plugging in to that "God" out there from "in here", and as a result, I and my circumstances would benefit, IN THAT ORDER. But TM wanted more than I could possibly afford, other entrainment options were in US Dollars firstly (at the time the exchange rate was about 7x the cost in my currency) AND it wasn’t a set curriculum, the product line was ever evolving and expanding, thus once in, I was locked into "ever striving, never arriving".

    Other books and audio's constantly referred to a previous book or another, or this will help BUT to get the full benefit you need (and it is mentioned somewhere in the book or product).....this workshop, that product which in turn refers to yet another, so as the financial services joke goes, YOUR COMMISION BASED FINANCIAL ADVISOR, Who’s FINANCIAL FUTURE ARE THEY PLANNING, YOURS OR THEIR OWN, I dare to venture the same goes for the self improvement industry, there is much chaff to sift through and so little wheat, who is benefiting, would these Guru's still be out there if there was no money or less would they be into something else?

    Oprah, has good intentions and yes, makes some money off it as do her guests but FIRST comes the offering of guidance, then they benefit, not the other way around. She and Eckhart start a web based class on her show (no cost, just watch the show and the adverts that pay for it), millions get to listen and interact with Eckhart via Skype ( also free for the basic pc to pc service) or e-mail and YES it sold a lot of books for him BUT the heartfelt good intentions, the action of doing it for free to back that up came FIRST...AND you could download the entire series of shows (10 of them) FOR FREE and you got a basic work book also FREE. So what do PM's competitors do....start their own "free" class (Actually Infomercials), featuring 9 or so teachers who themselves have products focusing on what Eckhart left out or doesn’t teach and why you are lost without them in addition to Eckhart, so in this case their strategy actually undermined Oprah and Eckhart in order to sell products; what good comes from this, sowing doubt? In the end Pier based referral marketing is the focus even though each and every one of these teachers is well respected, the focus wasn’t positive other than for them firstly and maybe you (after you have forked up some cash as apposed to a relatively inexpensive paperback book - Eckhart’s "A New Earth")?

    There is this parable about a man praying to be rescued in a flood, a helicopter comes by to pick him up, as does an inflatable boat, to both of these he says, no thank you, "God" will save me, he eventually drowns and is ticked off, to which "God" responds...."but I sent a helicopter AND a boat". In my case, of the 1000's of conversations I have had in 40 years, the old mans story about the Hi-Fi needing to be plugged in has been my boat, it drifted and remained in my mind for over 20 years and never left me where-as most of the others have drifted out of my conscious memory, I just needed to figure out how to climb on and apparently, according to PM's competitors, the gang-plank to this boat is a credit card and it is so long that I may be "on the path" but never reach the boat unless I purchase the "Insider package" offered to a select few JUST LIKE ME. (according to the e-mail.)

    In the case of Project-Meditation, I got the essence of TM minus the white napkin and offering of fruit to the Guru ritual or the mantra of their choice based on my date of birth FOR FREE, I got access to a forum with people from all over who have been there, done that, crashed, burned and like a phoenix rose up again or are in the process of, some are shmucks like me (living proof that at this point in humanities evolution insanity is normal), others are like Ta-Tsu -Wa, Pollyanna, Edwin, Chris063 and on and on and on who come and go helping out for no personal gain other than they want to. I didn't need to make a purchase to gain from the mistakes and triumphs of others, I just had to want to and sign up, as for the others in this industry....CREDIT CARD gains access to the "inner circle" according to yet another e-mail.

    The big names of religion and many modern day "saints" like Dipa Ma, Mother Teresa and many more taught by deed, didn’t insists on payment, in the case of Jesus, The Buddha ( Noted because I cant speculate on the other big names because I simply don't know enough about them), you got a teaching AND often something to eat, in return, if you chose, you could join their way of thinking and living and spread it by service to others or not, it was totally up to you.

    So, what is the intention behind PM and LF....well; Discover Meditation is FREE, is often referred to as all you need by the makers of Life Flow and I have even seen the forum celebrities tell people to take off their head phones (the commercial product) and do some time with Discover Meditation ( the free product that TM charged 100's or thousands for depending on your currency unit), also that entrainment isn’t enslavement, you shouldn’t need Life Flow to be able to meditate, just to get your mind there enough times so that you can find your own way back to that point...where ever you are and not where your I-Pod is.

    They also frequently and consistently tell you that the traditional mantra method works and has had numerous studies proving it's effectiveness, Life Flow just makes the whole process easier and faster (a lot)....use the vehicle of the mantra based meditation or take a fast taxi ride. Life Flow gets you there without your needing to know where there is (thus why I refer to it as a taxi ride), you note the route, once you have been there, you can get back there on your own using your stand alone walking meditation, mantra, left toe in right nostril, what ever works for you, Life Flow is much like Meditation GPS, it guides you where you decide to go from 10Hz to 1Hz .

    And now it turns out that Michael trained to be a Shrink for many years...anyone who would put up with years of medical training needs to be sincere in their desire to help others just to survive to graduation, its not fun. This also affords the creation team behind Life Flow a strong knowledge of both the brain and what plagues humanity.

    Then there’s Jodie who services the needs of Life Flow customers yet has on numerous occasions either contacted me on her own to offer advice or encouragement or in response to my questions.....and for most of that time, I wasn't a Life Flow customer!

    In my opinion, what life flow offers comes from the position of wanting to make a difference, its purpose driven as apposed to profit driven and that shows in their most blatant yet subtle feature - SINCERITY, and this alone is enough to set it above others in the market place at this point in time as quite honestly, they are doing something unique, they put people before profit, they do one thing but do it very well (Life Flow).

    Marketing is concise and greatly out weighed by pertinent and useful advice and information, as also the newish Guided meditations specific to a wide range of topics (FREE), and if you have a good idea as per the request for timing and volume changes in the free gratitude segment of Discover Meditation, this is done, there is real customer focus here.

    Life Flow and its team ADD VALUE even to the components that don’t earn revenue, this says so much about their ethos and thus so much about their product, the others could learn from this.
     
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  7. oneflewover

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    An ill wind ?

    Great post Coenrad. I think you have expressed beautifully the feelings of many, me included, with regard to the great value that Project Meditation has brought to their lives.

    Interestingly the 'interest' that followed Oprahs and Eckharts genuine attempts to reach the hearts of many, made me and probably a good many others aware of brain entrainment. What i was also made aware of though was the need to choose carefully.

    Having tried the first level of a certain company, whose name now escapes me :rolleyes: I am still receiving their promotional literature 10 months on.

    Graham
     
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  8. Coenrad Morgan

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    Pm Staff Appreciation Day

    :)Thanks Graham, but as you say....its all old news to those of us who have interacted with the PM crew.

    :p Giggle, giggle, snort.....the name of the "other" entrainment company eludes me also, probably because it no longer matters :D

    Yes, Michael, Jodie,Grant, and the 2 volenteer Moderators Pollyanna and Edwin who give of their free time as also the rest of the PM crew behind the scenes desearve a standing ovation for what they represent in terms of what they do and offer so generously to so many of us as apposed to all the blah, blah one gets in the mail.

    I thought I would do some research.....turns out I need a secret handshake :cool: aka credit card/purchase just to read what their satisfied customers are saying....No matter, this place is home so........I wish them well (I wish them here) :eek:

    That gives me an idea....:D .....no, maybe its indigestion....NOOOO I'm actually experiencing an idea :D.....off to meditation chatter box.....
     
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  9. Edwin

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    Small clarification note:

    I am a super moderator in this forum because I have my own little thread, which I am ashamed to say has been a little neglected by me lately.
    I am not a member of the PM crew, just a dedicated forum member that offered to take some work from their hands by moderating that small thread I asked for.
    But I am just like you guys, an enthousiastic forum member, and in no way am I getting paid by the PM group. Wait, that's not entirely true, I do get some benefits from PM like for instance being a BETA-tester for new material and stuff. And I get to keep them :D YAY !!!

    I just wish Michael and his team would make more new products :p coz at this rate .... ( just kidding guys )
     
  10. Coenrad Morgan

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    Nice Try

    Hi Edwin,

    By "PM Crew" I meant the people we interact with, which includes people like Yourself and Pollyanna (even though you are strictly volenteers and I have now edited the post for accuracy) by virtue of the amount of effort you all put in to keep things going, without you two handling the front end and Jodie and the actual Life Flow staffers handling the back end...there wouldn't be a PM as we have come to know it.

    Try duck it as much as you like, your a big part of the PM experience and maybe the best example of it.....doing what you do for no bennefit other than to assist others and crash test new products, and yes, also an example of how one of the biggests assets of this forum is its people, the very few actually employed by PM / Life Flow and the VERY many who support each other by sharing and tutoring, YOU and POLLYANNA being the most prevalent examples.

    SO, for doing what you did for me, when you didnt have to, but did anyway....THANK YOU EDWIN :D....given all I have learned and received from you, here's my turn to teach you something.....to take a well deserved compliment, you earned it (and I know....ITS REALLY hard for most people)....it's nice to push your buttons for a change :D.....you wore my buttons out :D (changed your mantra to Grrrrrr yet :p? )!

    Point is, this is a great place to visit, loads of free stuff that is actually usefull without strings attatched and then the people...the biggest asset.
     
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  11. Edwin

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    Roflmao OK OK I GET YOU ALLREADY !!!!!:D:D

    That's what happens when you start helping out South African people, these guys sit too long with their head in the sunlight, geezh :p

    Thanks ! :)
     
  12. Coenrad Morgan

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    My work here is done :D......*dusts off hands whilst being dragged away by men in white coats*
     
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    Hello all,

    I'm new to PM and new to the forum. I have a question, I guess. I have been using Holosync now for almost 4 years, and am on level 3. Sure wish I had learned about PM before biting on the bait Bill Harris offered to pay for the rest of the levels for a "reduced" rate. Self-help sure can get expensive. My wife would never be interested in meditating, but it would be immensely helpful when she has to see the credit card bill come in.

    Anyway, Bill suggests while doing his program to just let the mind do what it wants. So I did. Sometimes it seemed as if I were an overeater and had just been turned loose in a do-nut shop. The thoughts just went crazy. But he did say that if one wanted to they could also meditate, which I did sometimes. But it was far easier to let the thoughts run wild, and more entertaining, I might add.

    I've been on LF10 for about two weeks, with meditation every time. I think there have been benefits. I know I feel much better meditating than letting the thoughts run wild. In fact, now that I think about it, my imagination hasn't been as wild in the last two weeks as it had been before.

    I guess my question is, for anybody who wants to venture, have I lost out on something by not meditating during the last four years?

    Also, should I maybe drop down to a lower level of LF, since I may have already gone deeper than the higher levels can take me?

    BTW, for anybody lurking out there, the matter of experiencing chaos, and then reorganizing at a higher level is real.

    paulmed
     
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    Hi there Paulmed and welcome to the community. You certainly sound like you're on the right track. Although I often play Classical Magic, Creative Flow or Optimal Learning when I am working on the computer, I always meditate when using LifeFlow to meditate with.

    In fact, using LifeFlow has enabled me to now meditate on my own (if I am a passenger and don't have a C.D. or ipod with me.) I prefer to meditate with LifeFlow generally though because it seems easier to stabalize the state.

    I believe it's very important to spend time and become familiar with all the levels. After meditating with all the levels including the gamma tracks I have enjoyed going back to LF10 and continued to experience more and more benefits in my daily life and I now know meditation is ongoing and accumulative.

    With regards to your question about have you lost out for the last 4 years?

    I believe I invested many years and a lot of money to learn to meditate and finally succeeded massively with LifeFlow and Discover Meditation - the main thing is, I kept looking and didn't give up and I now enjoy tremendous benefits.

    Here's a link to a thread which you may find very interesting - before you read it, you may choose to get a glass of water or cup of tea or coffee because it is quite a lengthy read but well worth it:-

    http://www.project-meditation.org/c...nciples-meditation-entrainment.html#post12298

    I hope this is helpful to you and wish you much peace and joy :) :) :)
     
  15. Hombre

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    Hi Coenrad, I liked your comment a lot...it addresses a lot of issues in an entertaining way. Ethics in business seems to be a widely ignored issue and it is kind of striking that this is so much the case in the personal development industry. Despite being an industry, there is “choice” and it is choice which offers to have and show proper ethics and do business at the same time. One is not excluding the other. Funny enough I think in the long run the lack of ethics and authenticity or coherency can and will backfire on the promoters of products who show ignorance in this aspect of the whole.
     
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    Prices are GREAT!

    I AGREE!! Times are tough for a lot of people. There are so very many people wanting to heal their inner selves and this affordable price is a blessing to all of us. Not all of us are Sales Managers in New York City probably making a lot of wonderful money - yet!! I'm in the Healing Arts and even $67 sometimes is a stretch BUT I just prioritize what is necessary and important for myself. It's necessary food for me and for my soul! I do appreciate your prices Michael!:)
     
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    I completed the full holosync program last year. (Flowering Level 4) I missed my daily meditation so I am trying this one. So far I am impressed. I started wih level 7 (the first Theta Level) and I am currently on level 5. I was surprised to notice that I even did holosync for 11 years daily I still felt a bit pushed when starting a new level here. Interesting...

    :)
     
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    as far as having lost out by not meditating, ... well not all meditation is the same. There is awareness meditation and there is concentrated meditation, there is meditation on an object or opening all your senses and paying attention to everything. Both concentrated and awareness are better than being stuck or overtaken by thoughts but watching thoughts is good too because you are the observer and then not 'stuck in' the thoughts but learning detachment from them as the witness.

    The idea of meditation being the witness of thoughts is good and while the meditation does bring some peace, its also a 'practice' so it is something you learn to do by practicing so that eventually you watch your thoughts all the time and are therefore free from them.

    A great meditation is feeling the belly expand and contract or the breathing. Basically feeling anything in the body is good. Whatever you are doing while meditating (whatever you are thinking) you note it and return to the meditation (on body sensations).

    People talk about 'out of body experience' but most people are out of body most of the time which means they are disassociated with themselves. In meditation, I want an 'in the body' experience . To have an 'in the body' experience, I have to pay attention to all the sensations in my toes, ankles, shins, calves, knees, thighs, hips, fingers, eyeballs... etc... as you can see body scanning and when you can learn how to do that, you get more and more into being 'embodied' and 'present'.

    Thats a big chunk of the spiritual path. it seems to work with listening to the lifeflow for me pretty much
     

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