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"adhd" leftovers...

Discussion in 'Meditation Chatter Box' started by Edward G., Sep 3, 2008.

  1. Edward G.

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    Dear friends,
    I have done it!
    Yesterday I ordered the discs, ( I am afraid too lose software..:eek:)
    and look forward to the sessions.
    I have been using "Awakening Prologue" of Holosync for six weeks now,
    and I must say that my threshold has risen remarkable. More at ease.
    However, it is the way this company tries to sell me their goods, that puts me off.
    I shall not go into details. Not replying my email and such..
    But I think it is more than fair to say thank you Bill Harris for everything, -the book!- and your enthusiasm!

    I had neurofeedback sessions two and a half years ago, (30) in order too get rid of those pills I took for adhd treatment. And it worked!
    I have been zazen meditating regularly since, with great result.
    However, I still have those left overs that needs working on.
    -Too many thoughts that makes decision making very hard.
    -Lack of concentration and focus as a result. (I am a great driver, though...:D)
    -Lousy short term memory.
    Too name but three.
    Is it possible too tackle these problems with Lifeflow?
    Experiences, anyone?
    And Michael, if you read this, is it possible to use Zazen meditation with Lifeflow?
    Thanks!
    Gassho,
    Edward
     
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    I can answer this one too, I was doing Zazen for about 4-5 months before I started on LifeFlow.
    It works great !

    On a personal level, I switched to the Project Meditation way of meditating ( i.e. not counting the breath anymore, but just repeating a mantra when I needed to let go of a thought ) after a few months.
    I personally had better results with this.
    I did and do however still use the Zazen posture, and recently I dropped my mantra again to go back to "watching the breath", the successor of counting the breath.

    That works great for me too now.
    This is also a result of my recent efforts to try "mindfullness", in which you also constantly try to watch the breath.

    An old Zen saying: Meditation begins when you stand up !

    Think about it :p a nice Koan.
     
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    Thanks for the koan, I can not get enough of koans, Edwin.
    I gave up on counting breaths many moons ago and focus on posture, breath and mind, while breathing through my mouth and nose, keeping my eyes just a little bit open.
    Now that clears the head... Everyone taste to its own, though.
    Have you read Genpo Roshi?
    I went to his workshop earlier this summer.
    And Robert Hartzema? (Boeddhistische psychologie)
    Great forum!
     
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    Neural Driving and other claims.

    "But I think it is more than fair to say thank you Bill Harris for everything, -the book!- and your enthusiasm!"

    Oh Boy! I've just read Raven's "Neural Driving and other claims"...
    Now I am a bit confused..
    I mean, the Awakening Prologue raised my threshold so it must work.
    And there is the book. Most of it is good old fashion psychology, nothing new there.
    The scientific claims where a bit vague indeed. I just did not realize it whilst reading.
    But he writes quite vivid I must say..
    So I am narrowing my compliments to a simple "thanks Bill...".
    Be well...
     
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    Scientific studies have proven that the placebo-effect works just as well as the actual medicine.
    The enthousiasm you wrote about by Bill Harris has motivated you, and you can be thankfull for that :).

    Thanks for the pointers :) I will certainly look into it !
    The Buddhist way of living has my close attention, and I have deep respect for it's effect on society througout the centuries. History has proven that of all religions, only Buddhism managed to actually bring down violence, theft and war.

    I would love to go to a Zen-dojo once and experience a meditation session with like-minded spirits.
     
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    Thanks for your reply, pal!:)
    I am convinced that Awakening Prologue has done for me what it is suppose too do:
    Raise the threshold.
    I felt the twinkling in my brain and nerve system during the sessions and after, placebo or not. For which I am very thankful!
    However, at the moment I prefer Zazen over Holosync, very nice to listen to the waving of the trees and the falling of the rain outside with my total being. Back to basics. My meditation has gone deeper thanks to Holosync.
    Let's consider the subject "Holosync" closed!:)

    There are a couple of dojo's in Amsterdam of course.
    And yes, it is great to experience meditation with like minded.
    I can't find the time though...
    "It is a pity that it's true, it is true that it's a pity."

    Have you seen the F.G.S. He Hua Temple on the Zeedijk?
    It is beautiful and worth a visit.
    "Het oog slaapt nooit" and "De weg van de mens" written by Genpo Roshi are
    my favorite books about Zen. And what a sense of humor!
    "Big Mind" however, should be read after those two.
    O' by the way: Buhhdism is not really a religion..

    Gassho!
     
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    :)
    I know what you mean, I have my own business, a wife and 2 daughters, friends and family... even when living with my newly discovered inner stillness, the stress may be gone, but time still races on.
    No I haven't, basically due to the lack of recommendation like I got just now from you :). In a way, it is a bit scary to do, I mean, I have never been there before, and being interested in Japan ( I like to make Sushi and Japanese dishes, I practice Ju Jitsu, am interested in Zen ) I know how much the Japanese value tradition and tight behavioural rules... I guess I am scared to offend someone by my ignorance...
    One of the charactaristics of Zen I have been told, humor as a way to keep yourself from feeling "important"...
    I know that Buddhism is not really a religion... I have no better description for it, or maybe philosophy, or way of living... It is more than that, but not religion in the sense of the word as we know it.

    I will check out these books, if I can find them at a Dutch library.

    Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing :)
     
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    Nonsense! I, for one, know nothing more then you do!:)
    BTW, I had my first Lifeflow session last night.
    During the session I felt a few "bursts" of "floating" so to speak.
    Nothing more. But the reward came when the sounds stopped!
    Wow! What a stillness! The same effect as after Zazen, but only stronger.
    And....it did not made me fall asleep unlike the "other one"..

    I don't think so, you will have more luck in " de betere" bookstore..
    Good luck!
    Gassho Edward
     
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    I think I will do it then ! I would love to try it, see how the experience affects me !

    Don't expect "miracles" from LifeFlow in a sense that it will totally change the way you meditate: It will "only" do what Michael Mackenzie promised: make your meditation sessions deeper and more effective.
    This in itself is quite remarkable and special ! I am glad that you feel the stillness after the session :)

    My birthday is coming up, and I have quite a list of books I want to buy with my "boekenbonnen" ;) I will check out to see if the books I want are there, and otherwise I will simply order them :)

    Thanks for pointing them out !
     

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