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Old April 14th, 2014, 00:37   #1 (permalink)
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Default Hello folks -and ‘thank you’ to all those people who've made this forum what it is.

It’s probably true to say that we’re all on a journey, just on different parts of the road.

This is my first post and it's mainly just to say 'Hi' to those whose paths have crossed with mine today...and to say 'Hi' to everyone who uses this forum in general.

I say 'first post' I've actually been interested in the forum for over a year! In that time I’ve come to realise that there are many sincere people on here with a generous spirit who have put a lot of time and effort into sharing their knowledge.

So…a little about me. I first became involved with meditation when I was 18 and was initiated in the TM technique. I practiced regularly for about a year but felt I wasn't getting anything from it - there were a lot of distractions at that time that were far more important to me! Over the years I still kept my interest in meditation but it was never really part of my life.

7 years ago I came across 'Holosync'. This seemed a fascinating concept so I started using it, one hour a day....and to give it a fair chance I continued using it for a complete year. Again, it got to the point when I thought 'this isn't for me' and I stopped - somewhat disillusioned.

Then about 12 months ago I came across LifeFlow. It seemed very similar to Holosync so I was very sceptical however; when I researched deeper it became clear it was different in some important ways. I learned that the technology used in LifeFlow incorporates not only "Binaural" beats but also "Monaural" and "Isochronic" tones in its entrainment matrix creating a wider variety of use and benefits. The intense sales pitch was absent and the time required to integrate it into my life was much less. It would also seem to be a superior product that was much more reasonably priced as well - never a bad thing!

If you search the internet there's very little in the way of negative comments about LifeFlow, so much so that I can find virtually nothing about the founder of LifeFlow and indeed 'The Meditation Project' - Michael Mackenzie. Initially I considered this a bad thing because I like to know the 'story' behind the man but then I read somewhere that Michael is a very private person. I get this because I am as well.

l suppose if I'm being completely honest I wish there were more posts from people who have used LifeFlow over a long period – and stayed with it. It would be very reassuring and a powerful statement in itself.

I used LifeFlow for a little over 2 months and then stopped again having that similar feeling of 'discontentment' - not really a fair amount of time. That was about a year ago.

Now, at the age of 53 I've felt compelled to try using LifeFlow again...for many reasons really. Having that familiar feeling that never leaves me that there must be more to this life. I have a fair bit of stress in my life that I want to be able to cope better with. I want to find something that will help someone very close to me to be able to turn their life around before it's too late....and also what a wonderful thing it would be to share knowledge of something that would be life changing with my children and grandchildren. That would be a pretty special gift.

A couple of things have become clear to me recently. Meditation is not sitting there feeling relaxed listening to entrainment tracks, it may help the process of meditation to be easier but it's not meditation. You have to have a true meditation technique - for me at the moment it’s focusing on the breath. You have to put in the effort to find what works for 'you'. I've come to believe you have to be ready to let meditation into your life - this means making time for it and not resenting it because there's always something that's 'more important' that you feel you should be doing.

It feels to me that I've spent a large part of my life searching for something. Believing that there's so much more to our existence than most of us understand, hence my user name....TheSearcher.

I always feel a little disappointed when I read an amazing description of a deep meditative experience that someone has posted only to hear nothing from them again...and I often wonder why that is. Also, my heart does sink a little when I read of the many wonderful experiences people describe – and I get to thinking “When will I experience that?” I suppose it’s all relative. It depends on what your starting point is….how far along the path you are….and a million other things! But it would be nice to have ‘something’ – a tangible experience.

I do take some comfort from seeing recent postings from long standing members such as GilesC, Panthau, Edwin, bashmaki, itlandm, Mr Monkey, Olmate, Peaceful Warrior and especially Pollyanna but really wish there were more! Other members such as Ta-tsu-wa have contributed a huge amount to the forum over a period of years but then just appeared to stop. With the members counter showing 121,324 today which is a phenomenal amount really as excellent as the community is one can’t help wonder that there should be more LifeFlow veterans on here. So many questions! There is much to learn in this little corner of the 'web' - but putting it all together, that's the tricky bit!

I hardly ever post on forums so I really hope this was an ok read for my first attempt here. Looking through what I’ve just put it does sound as though I’m somewhat sceptical, I don’t mean to be. It’s just thinking aloud.

It’s my belief you’ve got to go into this with a completely open mind and be in it for the long haul. It’s not a quick fix. It's my sincere wish that I feel compelled at some future date to say "Guys....you gotta try this!" or....will I never be heard from again? So, let's see what happens this time..... Namaste.
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Old April 14th, 2014, 13:39   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome to the community searcher

your post reminds me so much of my own journey. I too experienced the "searching" years - something was always niggling at me; I always felt something was missing. At the time, I thought it was things from the past.

At that point in my life I knew that I had so much to be thankful for (my mother had always taught me to "count my blessings") and yet nothing filled this unexplainable feeling of something missing. It was like a vicious circle because I had thoughts of feeling guilty for feeling like this when there was so much suffering being experienced by others.

I had not long left a life of struggling to bring two children up on my own because of a painful divorce. And because I was so busy trying to be both parents and struggling to make ends meet, I had very little personal space.

Yet even when I met a wonderful man and many things changed in my life, this feeling of something missing haunted me.

Then I found a book "Think and grow rich" that blew me away and set me on a new path that was filled with hope and also much frustration. Looking back, I read this book "like a dog worrying a bone" almost terrified that I wouldn't "get it"

This chapter of my life was quite intense because I believed I had "the power" that this book spoke about and yet I didn't know where to find it or how to understand it. I hope this is making some kind of sense to you

After reading many more self improvement books, I believed that I needed to know how to meditate and I needed to do this in order to succeed in many different areas of my life.

At that time I had no idea what meditation meant; I had no idea that the solution was within me; I had no idea that my mind and thoughts of worry and fear were running the show.

For years, on and off, just like you, I tried different kinds of meditation and eventually binaural beats. Binaural beats made me feel a bit strange initially so I naively assumed they were working yet I never noticed any changes in my day to day life. I still had strong opinions (and quietly thought mine were right ) and re-acted to situations.

Then I tried "Discover Meditation" here along with LifeFlow. I am not suggesting that you change your meditation technique - the mantra technique just worked for me when I understood I needed to let it go when the sensation/feeling arose. I also always loved doing the gratitude exercise to the beautiful music on C.D.2 after meditation

Remember when I said I read "Think and Grow Rich" like a dog worrying a bone? Well, I did the opposite when meditating to LifeFlow. Because I desperately needed the rest, I would meditate with LifeFlow lay down in my bed each afternoon and I used to often fall asleep in the beginning and just enjoy the rest. I decided not to have any expectations or analyse any physical sensations I experienced.

I became more and more aware of my daily thoughts and the physical emotions that accompanied them. As I learned to accept these emotions and observe them I was able to let them go and not react as I had done all my life. I handled situations in life so easily and found what I had been desperately searching for - a sense of real peace and a knowing.

If I can offer one piece of advice to you it is this. It's taken you a lifetime to create all the belief systems you have - some will be serving you well and some will be holding you back from living the life you really want. For 3 months (and I hope it takes less for you) don't try when you meditate - don't expect anything from your meditation and don't analyse any physical sensations you experience.

Just follow the instructions and be consistent each day (even if you only have 15 minutes some days) Please remember, the state of meditation is your natural state. It's there within you, it always has been and it always will be. It's just obscured by thoughts and worries of what lies ahead or regrets or guilt of things from the past.

Once you become aware of your thoughts and belief patterns and how they control your life, you will embark on an amazing journey; you will have choices that will liberate you. You will be able to focus on the present moment at hand; you will become master of your own mind and appreciate the awesomeness of life.

One last thing, I know sometimes it can seem hard to feel deep appreciation, especially in times of struggle, still there is always so much to really appreciate and if you create this habit in your life you will be amazed at the difference it makes.

Seven years ago, when any negative thought entered my head, I replaced it with thoughts of appreciation e.g. my knees did not ache and so I could enjoy walking so much more. This habit along with meditation allows me to experience the joy and magnificence of each day and I know it can for you.

I agree with you about the community forum - there are and have been some wonderfully caring people here. And there are those yet to come. I expect there are also many who find peace and joy who never visit. Some have stayed longer than others and some have left wise words that have helped so many and will continue to help many others.

Maybe many will read your amazing story one day and your story may inspire so many others to discover the peace that is waiting to be discovered in them.

I hope this is of help to you - I look forward to hearing about your progress and wish you an abundance of peace and joy on your amazing journey of self discovery
 
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Hi Pollyanna - thank you so much for taking the time to share those thoughts with me, it's really appreciated, more than you probably realize.

There are so many parallels between our two lives. It also feels quite strange actually having a conversation with you after reading so many of your posts...but strange in a very good way. I can tell you put a lot of thought into your reply. I found it to be a fascinating read and you very eloquently put across your observations and suggestions. It almost felt as though you had got inside my head!

When you mentioned the book my first reaction was "Oh Dear"...."That's not what I'm searching for at all!" I guess I was expecting the latest publication from the Dalai Lama or something similar... but nope...."Think and grow rich"! So off to Amazon I go to find out why this book had made such an impression on you. It didn't take long before the penny dropped! Pretty much wall to wall positive praise by most of the reviewers for a book written in 1937! (233 reviews). I've just ordered "Think and Grow Rich!: The Original Version, Restored and Revisited. (416 pages) There's a sentence I didn't think I would be writing on a mediation web site! Probably one of the worse names I've heard for a book and feels like a complete contradiction for someone who's trying to put all of life's pieces together. The title of the book doesn't sit well with me, it just makes you jump to all kinds of probably wrong conclusions. But hey, don't judge a book by its cover, right?

One reviewer seemed to sum it up well with this......"This is a classic - one of those books that you want to read again and again - each time you get more out of it - it's not about being greedy - it's about learning to focus your attention to attract to you what you are wanting, to being abundant and successful in whatever you choose to give your attention to. It is a book that will help you to understand what prosperity is, to make the shift in your thoughts of lack or limitation to thoughts of abundance and prosperity whether it is a matter of money or your personal happiness."

The jury's out on the book for now Pollyanna until I've read it properly.... but looking at all the reviews it looks very interesting. I'm guessing the philosophy of the book is to show you how you can become spiritually rich as well as materially rich....and we all have bills to pay right, so its win win!

I'm going to follow your other advice very closely as well, it all makes a lot of sense. The point you made about making a little time for the "Gratitude Exercise" after meditation...way ahead of you there. That's something I've changed this time..and somehow it does make a difference. I used to think it was just about the meditation, its not....that music has got some magic weaved into it or something, it just has this quality about it, can't really explain it. I'm doing one other thing differently this time as well. I'm taking at least two months for each level where as before I was only allowing one month. It’s not a race....it's a journey, right?

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You're very welcome, it's my pleasure and thank you for your kindness. I'm so happy for you regarding the gratitude exercise and wish you an abundance of peace and joy
 
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Originally Posted by TheSearcher View Post
It’s probably true to say that we’re all on a journey, just on different parts of the road.

This is my first post and it's mainly just to say 'Hi' to those whose paths have crossed with mine today...and to say 'Hi' to everyone who uses this forum in general.


Hi!!

I say 'first post' I've actually been interested in the forum for over a year! In that time I’ve come to realise that there are many sincere people on here with a generous spirit who have put a lot of time and effort into sharing their knowledge.

That is very true. The majority of people here are just happy to share their knowledge and seek to let ego and one-upmanship (common on other forums) go.

Now, at the age of 53 I've felt compelled to try using LifeFlow again...for many reasons really. Having that familiar feeling that never leaves me that there must be more to this life. I have a fair bit of stress in my life that I want to be able to cope better with. I want to find something that will help someone very close to me to be able to turn their life around before it's too late....and also what a wonderful thing it would be to share knowledge of something that would be life changing with my children and grandchildren. That would be a pretty special gift.

Remember that there's no 'silver bullet' to solving our issues.
Meditation and Lifeflow, help us to reach a better state of awareness and Being, so that we remain more present when not meditating, and more focused on the needs of the moment. In this way, we are more easily able to recognise that the things that are making us anxious or stressed are not real and not needed, and that we can achieve more in our lives. It's certainly not something that happens overnight, and continued practice is, I would say, essential to help 'build up' that awareness and keep it maintained.

A couple of things have become clear to me recently. Meditation is not sitting there feeling relaxed listening to entrainment tracks, it may help the process of meditation to be easier but it's not meditation. You have to have a true meditation technique - for me at the moment it’s focusing on the breath. You have to put in the effort to find what works for 'you'. I've come to believe you have to be ready to let meditation into your life - this means making time for it and not resenting it because there's always something that's 'more important' that you feel you should be doing.

Completely agree with you.
Many people go for breathing meditation, and many people 'get it wrong' because they start forcing their breathing and making themselves uncomfortable, that's why I usually recommend a mantra based meditation myself, however if it's working for you, then that's great... as you say, we have to find a technique that works for each of us.

It feels to me that I've spent a large part of my life searching for something. Believing that there's so much more to our existence than most of us understand, hence my user name....TheSearcher.

LOL! That's just about everybody on the planet isn't it.
Everbody's looking for the answers.
The one place most people fail to look is within themselves, to find that within is with-out, and all becomes one. (that's a very very short summary - the explanation behind it would take pages )

I always feel a little disappointed when I read an amazing description of a deep meditative experience that someone has posted only to hear nothing from them again...and I often wonder why that is. Also, my heart does sink a little when I read of the many wonderful experiences people describe – and I get to thinking “When will I experience that?” I suppose it’s all relative. It depends on what your starting point is….how far along the path you are….and a million other things! But it would be nice to have ‘something’ – a tangible experience.

That's a good point...
I think some people sign up to forums to ask about their experience, they get some answers from people and then they just go away with those answers, maybe accepting what people have said, or disagreeing. I guess it's part of modern life, that people are seeking an answer, but believe they don't have time to get embroiled in any lengthy discussion about it. Me personally, I love a good discussion.

However, when it comes down to what we experience during meditation, my understanding is that a) what happends during a meditation is not really important, as you typically are just observing the mind being active, and if you start holding on to that, during the meditation, then you are preventing yourself from reaching a deeper state of meditation, because you are attaching to the mind instead. b) if there is something important that is 'realized' during a meditation, and it's truly important, then we don't have to attach to it during the meditation, as that realization will be available to us once we've finished the meditation practice. c) there's little point asking others to interpret what you experience during meditation, as it's the same as asking people to interpret dreams... one persons interpretation is different to anothers based on their own mind's perception of the content being interpreted. For example, a person may say they experience various colours such as purple and green during their meditation. One person may interpret that as saying that these are the persons spirit guides. Another may interpret that as being the colours of the chakras, that the person needs healing with, and thus connecting those colours with specific (new age) ideas about which chakras relate to which emotions or issues. The person themself may have a particular affinity with certain colours anyway... e.g. purple may be a colour they find comforting; a sense of being 'at home'. Thus the best way to interpret what is experienced, if you really want to interpret it, is to look inside yourself an say "what does that mean to me?"

The real benefits of meditation are how it allows us to be more aware, present, and truthful in our daily lives.

I do take some comfort from seeing recent postings from long standing members such as GilesC, Panthau, Edwin, bashmaki, itlandm, Mr Monkey, Olmate, Peaceful Warrior and especially Pollyanna but really wish there were more! Other members such as Ta-tsu-wa have contributed a huge amount to the forum over a period of years but then just appeared to stop.

That's very kind of you to say, and yes I agree that it's a shame Ta-tsu-wa no longer appears to contribute, though I think what has been contributed already is pretty much all that he needed to say.

With the members counter showing 121,324 today which is a phenomenal amount really as excellent as the community is one can’t help wonder that there should be more LifeFlow veterans on here. So many questions! There is much to learn in this little corner of the 'web' - but putting it all together, that's the tricky bit!

The problem with forums is that they get inundated with spammers (I know, I moderate on a couple of other forums). The member count is typically showing the number of people who have signed up, but doesn't exclude those who have ended up being banned/terminated. However, it doesn't require a large community to have a valuable community.

I hardly ever post on forums so I really hope this was an ok read for my first attempt here. Looking through what I’ve just put it does sound as though I’m somewhat sceptical, I don’t mean to be. It’s just thinking aloud.

I remember back in 2004 when I first started posting on forums... I was a little tentative at first, but it soon became a realization that I was able to connect easily with like minded people, and learn and share with everyone... without barriers.

It’s my belief you’ve got to go into this with a completely open mind and be in it for the long haul. It’s not a quick fix. It's my sincere wish that I feel compelled at some future date to say "Guys....you gotta try this!" or....will I never be heard from again? So, let's see what happens this time..... Namaste.
Well, let's hope you do stick around. Would be a shame for you to have written all of that and not feel that you wanted to continue.

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Hi Giles - nice to meet you. Lots of good sound advice there my friend, all taken on board. A very interesting read.

I particularly liked your comments relating to the experiences that people describe. Again, as with Pollyanna I do genuinely appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts concerning my thoughts!
 
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