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Old July 21st, 2011, 11:58   #11 (permalink)
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I can't help but think that labels are limiting and "flat". I do have to declare a personal dislike of pidgeon holes, so I do have a bias.

The idea of not having a name at one level seems very attractive. It invites so many possibilities for conversations in the now from limitless perspectives...

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Old July 21st, 2011, 16:00   #12 (permalink)
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The beauty of labels is that they can change, if desired. That is why labels are far from the whole truth, but how could we communicate about anything coherently without them? The human mind uses symbols to understand everything....including the concept of not having a name.
 
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Old July 21st, 2011, 16:56   #13 (permalink)
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The labels we give things are just as (if not even more so) real than the object by itself
I would've thought the labels are much further from the true reality.

The object is perfect and holds 100% truth.
When we add a label, it is our personal interpretation and this detracts from the perfect truth.
Is it possible to add to truth? If you agree that truth can be defined as perfect/ultimate/absolute, then how can you ever add to perfection?

Our minds are not perfect and cannot truly understand the object, and therefore its reality.

Or am I just using truth and reality in the wrong way?
 
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Old July 21st, 2011, 17:14   #14 (permalink)
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You are using labels to try and talk about abstract things like truth and reality, neither of which means anything without the labels you are giving them. We have found ourselves right in the eye of the tautology of existence.

The object and the label go hand in hand as long as we are in our human forms. Whether this is the ultimate truth or not, once again, just comes down to the symbols and labels one uses in their minds.
 
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 01:12   #15 (permalink)
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The conversation about labels is interesting. We all know that a label is a word that acts as a unique identifier for an object, a sensation, an experience, to remind us of that object, sensation or experience.

In the most basic sense, we experience the physical world through touching, tasting, seeing, hearing, and smelling. We tend to exaggerate thinking about sensory experience and understate sense perception itself.

As an example, we tend to think about the weather with labels such as, “Today is a wet and windy day,” rather than simply feeling the present sensory experience directly in whatever way that is appearing, either as the actual wetness of rain falling on our faces as we are caught in a shower or the sound of wind and rain against the tin roof outside. To know a wet and windy day directly is to experience the wind and rain directly rather than through the label, “This is a wet and windy day.” The label is, at best, a story about the day. It is not the wetness and the sound itself.

But sure, if my wife asks what's the weather like, I’ll definitely not throw her outside and ask her to experience it herself (although tempting ) I will conjure up a story....


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