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Old June 7th, 2011, 06:03   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Karmoh View Post
Recently I picked up a book in a coffee shop by Ken Wilber, The Simple Feeling of Being. While sipping coffee I came across a statement that actually rocked my non-dual world.

Why does Spirit bother to manifest at all, especially when that manifestation is necessarily painful and requires that it become amnesiac to its true identity? Why does god incarnate?

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My thoughts are offered as just another view of the proverbial elephant.

Non-dual would seem to me that everything is equal. All existance thoughts, actions, happenings, experience are all therefore just other faces of God. There would be no one to say that one face of God is better or worst than another. Not even different but just a view from a different vantage point.

Why then incarnate? Maybe it is not a why but an evolving. If consciousnes stretched out in one place and contracted in another the contracted place could have become physical reality. Still non-dual but another face fully connected like two sides of a coin. The evolving contracted non-dual continues to evolve through matter as earth (with its very limited level of consciousness) through plants and up the food chain. Each level still fully connected to non-dual but with a greater degree of ability to be in consciousness and with greater awareness of consciousness at that more evolved level.

At the level of man the subject now has an object. Like parents who are the subject having children who are apart from them ( but a part of them) which is now physically separate. The children have become the object. We can see ourselves growing and evolving in our children.

Like a tree or vine that continues to grow and have new buds that come out each year. The tree or vine is the subject and the buds are its objects. Each generation of man are the buds along the evolving tree of life.

Non-dual remains as the center, and expands outward with its outermost edge as the evolving edge, as the now of physical reality. If you like, this can be willfully directed by God or could be an integral instinct of non-dual to continually become whatever it can become.

As previously described in the tale from Flatland our ability (consciousness), at the dimension we perceive reality and spirituality, may make higher dimensions incomprehensible. To us we perceive that God (non-dual, subject) has evolved through us to be able to look back and "see" God or non-dual as if we can see to the ultimate. Compared to the edge of future evolving forms to channel consciousness we may just be like rocks. Or are we it? The end of evolution? Are we the best that God can do? I think not.

Sorry I got a bit carried away. But I wrote it so I will post it as is.

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Old June 7th, 2011, 06:37   #12 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Michael David View Post
As previously described in the tale from Flatland our ability (consciousness), at the dimension we perceive reality and spirituality, may make higher dimensions incomprehensible. To us we perceive that God (non-dual, subject) has evolved through us to be able to look back and "see" God or non-dual as if we can see to the ultimate. Compared to the edge of future evolving forms to channel consciousness we may just be like rocks. Or are we it? The end of evolution? Are we the best that God can do? I think not.

Sorry I got a bit carried away. But I wrote it so I will post it as is.

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Hi Michael,

No, not carried away, there is something quite beautiful and intelligent in those short paragraphs.

So we believe our ever evolving consciousness is finally coming full circle and the enlightened beings of the last few thousand years have been pointing through the opening to the truth?

I could be way off...
But as human evolve and finally realise that we do not appear or disappear in the now, we are the now. With that realisation the consciousness has expanded to what we believe is our true self, we will rest and believe we are home. But it will never end, as there is another dimension waiting behind another gateway.
There is no circle...

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Old June 7th, 2011, 06:46   #13 (permalink)
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O, but there is a circle now, the golden ring you have it now.
 
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Old June 7th, 2011, 21:20   #14 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Karmoh View Post

I could be way off...
But as human evolve and finally realise that we do not appear or disappear in the now, we are the now. With that realisation the consciousness has expanded to what we believe is our true self, we will rest and believe we are home. But it will never end, as there is another dimension waiting behind another gateway.
There is no circle...

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Hi Karmoh

I agree there is not a circle back to what was. The edge of now continues to evolve. It seems we are trying to catch up to the edge of now and become resonant with it. Like catching and riding a wave at the beach.

This thought/image came up in meditation this morning. I was looking out from the rim of the Grand Canyon and watching the moving shadows from the sunlight play across the canyon. As i was breathing I felt I was moving along with the evolving edge of now. As if i were watching a flower grow. The sensation stopped when I became aware of thinking about it.

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I am intrigued by the ring and circle of gold. Can you write mire about that?

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