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Old April 19th, 2011, 23:50   #1 (permalink)
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Hey fellow wise ladies and gentlemen,
Haven't been here for a while. It always brings me to life when I read this forum
I was just reading ''A New Earth'' by Tolle and after reading that one you become aware of the ego, it has no power over you at that moment.
So I decided to stop and become aware of it. But it was a never ending repeating pattern.
I would stop and listen to the voice thats inside my head and go ''Hey! Thats the voice speaking inside my head!'', than I would realized that the voice that said, was also the voice, the ego, and say ''Here my ego is back again, let me stop and become aware of me and be'' and so on and on... My voice would comment on the previous voice until I gave up.
Is that all the ego, playing tricks in my head? How does one simply become aware of himself and of the ego, to realize its powerless and illusiory?
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Old April 20th, 2011, 04:23   #2 (permalink)
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Hi stefanabovetheview,

So I decided to stop and become aware of it. But it was a never ending repeating pattern.
It seems that you have stumbled on a simple self-inquiry. Simply by asking who is taking you have understood that the ego is talking to itself.

I would stop and listen to the voice thats inside my head and go ''Hey! Thats the voice speaking inside my head!'', than I would realized that the voice that said, was also the voice, the ego, and say ''Here my ego is back again, let me stop and become aware of me and be'' and so on and on... My voice would comment on the previous voice until I gave up.
So ask yourself, are you your ego, the thinker of thoughts or the feeler of emotions?
Believing this solidifies a sense of personal will or control over things that happen. This personal will or control is illusory. The ego is not really there. It is an illusion created by emphasizing the idea of a person at the heart of each experience. The ego is just a thought that comes and goes in our experience. When you consult the ego with the ego, the ego of course replies. Our ego’s love puzzles, so by giving the mind a paradox like who is talking in my head fuels the cyclic experience you mentioned. But by using the cyclic nature of this experience you can exhaust the ego (mind) in to allowing the real you to shine through, these are the ah-ah! moments you hear about

My voice would comment on the previous voice until I gave up.
who gave up you or your ego?

Is that all the ego, playing tricks in my head? How does one simply become aware of himself and of the ego, to realize its powerless and illusiory?
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The secret is not to try to get rid of the ego. Awareness is about simply seeing what is happening in your own, direct experience. Thought and all other appearances come and go of their own will.
The critical thing to understand is when you first realize that the ego is playing tricks in your head; all that is happening is an appearance, that the appearance is not awareness itself, which is your real identity. In recognizing your identity as awareness, instead of believing that appearances contain your identity, identification with thoughts and other temporary appearances releases itself naturally. The clinging and identifying energy of the human ego relaxes.

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Old April 20th, 2011, 05:44   #3 (permalink)
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Weird. I just went out and bought "A New Earth" the other day and have been reading it, and came to a similar conclusion. My Ego talks about and to itself, all within itself in an attempt to keep "me", being the awareness of it all, confused. It's totally insane. Lol a thought came up that said wow I'm kind of schizophrenic. Then "I" had to snap out of that thought and see that it was just a thought. About the ego, but coming from the ego. So crazy, this predicament humans are in. How did this happen in the first place?
 
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Old April 20th, 2011, 06:21   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by chris-da-fur View Post
It's totally insane.
Hi Chris,

Insane is true.
Imagine a mentally ill person standing on a corner, talking out loud, shaking their head, the talk is all gibberish and loud, dominating the corner. Someone would call the cops, everyone would move away or cross the street.
But that is exactly what goes on in your head all your waking hours. Total nonsense!

How did this happen in the first place?
Because we believe in separation, new born babies and very young children mostly under 3 live in the moment, they see only what appears in front of them. As adults and family start to explain to these children right and wrong, this is called that, I’m Mummy, he’s Daddy, and this is a banana and so on. All this enforces in the young mind that objects are separate, hence separation is created. Before you could walk and talk did you know your name? or did someone tell you your name.

That is a very short personal view of what happens


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Old April 20th, 2011, 13:38   #5 (permalink)
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Actually the ego is quite simple.

All noise in your head is thoughts. Some of those thoughts are what we call "ego" because it is talking about you as if it is you.

"I need to go to the bathroom"
Even tho your blatter may be full to it's brim, it still is a lie.

Because when you meditate, you know that thoughts come up by themselves, and if left alone, they go by and disappear by themselves.
When serving them with attention, a new thought pops up about that previous thought, mind is serving you with more info or speculations about the topic.

You can see the thoughts come up. The real You is who is looking.
The thought hasn't been made by you.
You can't be the "I" in that thought, as you observe the "I" thought come into existence in your mind.
For all those years, you thought those thoughts were made by you, while in fact, they were made by mind, for you to observe.

You can experience the real You during meditation, when mind slows down, or becomes completely silent, after you have kept your focus on a mantra or whatever for so long that mind has no new topics or suggestions to give.
The feeling is at first experienced as a feeling of existence, of being present.

Of constantly being who you are, even without thoughts.

And as soon as a thought comes up again, or as we all say incorrectly, when you start thinking again ( this is incorrect because you don't do the thinking, right ? ) the silence is broken and it becomes harder to experience the sense of Self.

But like I said, in essence, all silence is Self, all noise is Ego.
 
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Old April 20th, 2011, 19:48   #6 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by chris-da-fur View Post
Weird. I just went out and bought "A New Earth" the other day and have been reading it, and came to a similar conclusion. My Ego talks about and to itself, all within itself in an attempt to keep "me", being the awareness of it all, confused. It's totally insane. Lol a thought came up that said wow I'm kind of schizophrenic.
A great book (which I need to reread at some point), I downloaded these soon after and they were a nice accompaniment to it: Download the A New Earth Web Classes - Oprah.com

I know what you mean; it’s a bit of a head screw when you notice what’s going on. I found I initially only assumed the seemingly negative stuff was the ego, but of course it’s the seemingly positive stuff too. I always find it hard (well near impossible) to stay present enough to catch myself frequently, but even being able to recognise and reflect on the work of the ego after the event, is in my eyes a positive step.

Actually during my meditation today the following memory floated by so I thought I’d relay it as it seems fairly relevant. Some time ago my folks had a cat which unsurprisingly didn’t strike up a great friendship with next door’s dog. There was a see though mesh fence dividing the two back gardens and if the dog saw the cat he’d start barking and get all aggressive. Although not in immediate danger (the mesh fence was pretty sturdy), the cat would freak out and leg it.

Later down the line my Gran needed to give up her cat as she was finding hard to look after him, so he came and lived with my folks too. This cat though had been brought up with dogs and had a very casual (but not reckless, he knew when to give it legs!) approach to them. Well, next doors dog would see them both in the garden and start to bark etc, the first cat would do the usual and peg it, but the second cat would just turn around and walk up quite close to the mesh fence and face the dog . This obviously hacked the dog right off!....It would start getting even more aggressive, the cat on the other hand would sometimes look at the dog or sometimes look away with a significant degree of indifference (in a way only cats seem to have…). In the end the dog would give up and walk off.

Through time/experience the dog came to realise that the 2nd cat would acknowledge his presence but just watch him, so wouldn’t bark at him. The funny thing is even though the dog reacted like this to the 2nd cat, the 1st cat never learnt to react differently and continued to buy into the fear that the dog could ‘get him’, so would panic and run off.

This just stuck me as a good analogy as the 2nd cat didn’t ignore the dog, in fact fully acknowledged him and watched him. The only difference between the cats was that one bought into the barking and one didn’t. If I’d realised the lesson at the time, then maybe my little furry master would have got his named changed to Mooji .
 
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Old April 20th, 2011, 22:14   #7 (permalink)
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Great story, Mr. Monkey. Maybe your next cat can be Mewji. Margaret
 
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Old April 20th, 2011, 22:54   #8 (permalink)
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Great story, Mr. Monkey. Maybe your next cat can be Mewji. Margaret
Ha ha ha! I totally missed that, ‘Mewji’ has had me chuckling for a while. All I can offer in return is that if I come across a mouse following the path of non-duality, then I’ll be calling it Eeeekhart
 
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Originally Posted by Mr Monkey View Post
Ha ha ha! I totally missed that, ‘Mewji’ has had me chuckling for a while. All I can offer in return is that if I come across a mouse following the path of non-duality, then I’ll be calling it Eeeekhart


Mewji. I just LOL'ed. On a more serious note I love that story and it illustrates all this perfectly!
 
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Old April 21st, 2011, 09:45   #10 (permalink)
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Totally agree !

Very nice example indeed. Mewji.
 
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