Everything is for a reason?

[Panthau]

Originally Posted by Ramai

Hi Pan,

I can see your point but, what if we look at this from a different perspective.
What was the acted intention here? To release or change the negative circumstances?; or to be without a physical body?
Everything that happens to ME in MY world(material and spiritual) is a product of MY intention. Only when ME dissolves, that changes.


Love,
Ramai

Its not my point of view, its just an oppinion ive got from somewhere else. As you said, its the intention, and the intention is independent from the body.

But thats just theory, we´ll see when its time for it

[Itlandm]

If suicide was an even vaguely rational decision to get out of a bad life circumstance, we would expect to see developing countries decimated by massive suicide rates, while it would hardly ever happen in rich, egalitarian countries like Japan or Scandinavia.

You probably already know that it is actually not like that at all. Because that is not how it works. It is not a calculated escape route. It is not something we can argue for or against, because that is not how it is decided in the end.

If I were to wake up tomorrow and find that I could not move my left arm and leg, I would not spend time wondering what was the meaning of this, and why should this happen to me. I would use whatever body parts still worked and try to dial emergency. Later I may consider the meaning of it, but not while my life was in danger. I recommend the same response toward suicidal tendencies. They are a medical emergency, not a philosophical one.

[Midnight]

Originally Posted by Panthau

Ive been reading something different about this, in out of body experiences. There have been reports, that people who kill themself just get out of their body, but the problem remains. It actually worsens the problem somehow, because of the lack of a physical body and the lack of being able to talk to loved or hated ones.

Just my 50 cents.

Atb,
Pan

I'm curious as to how these reports came to be...lol. How do you get that information? :S

[Panthau]

Originally Posted by Midnight

I'm curious as to how these reports came to be...lol. How do you get that information? :S

Cant remember exactly where, but i had at least two or three different sources from mainly OOB books, like those from Robert Monroe and William Buhlman.

@Itlandm: Its just a matter of how much one wants to escape this life, as the fear of the unknown, the death, is in most cases stronger then the current problems. Its like the soldiers in the middle ages, before them is the enemy and behind are the guys who kill you if you dont fight.

[Volcom23]

Originally Posted by Panthau

Ive been reading something different about this, in out of body experiences. There have been reports, that people who kill themself just get out of their body, but the problem remains. It actually worsens the problem somehow, because of the lack of a physical body and the lack of being able to talk to loved or hated ones.

Just my 50 cents.

Atb,
Pan

Originally Posted by Ramai

Hi Pan,

I can see your point but, what if we look at this from a different perspective.
What was the acted intention here? To release or change the negative circumstances?; or to be without a physical body?
Everything that happens to ME in MY world(material and spiritual) is a product of MY intention. Only when ME dissolves, that changes.


Love,
Ramai

Wow. Wise people. :-)