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Old December 1st, 2009, 14:49   #1 (permalink)
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YouTube - Paramahansa Yogananda Sleep

You cant really see how it works on this video. Is there more specific instruction in some website? And has anyone here tried it?
 
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Old December 1st, 2009, 16:07   #2 (permalink)
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Wow quite old video!

I dont get the point though. Does he try to reach another state of consciousness? Thats what ive been reading when you do that eye-thing, but as all of these things it seems that it doesnt work for everybody.
 
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 21:15   #3 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Panthau View Post
I dont get the point though. Does he try to reach another state of consciousness?
He is in some kind of meditative state while he sleeps, not sure exactly. Sleeping is caused by resistanse towards the world, so meditating instead of resisting at night would be huge advantage.
Your right these dont work problably for everybody or atleast you need to be master in meditating.
 
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 23:27   #4 (permalink)
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It's amazing how many people mix up two totally different things.

Yogi's are able to go into a trance as well as meditate.

Meditation is a total relaxation of the mind while staying conscious.

Trance is a total black out of mind and consciousness.
Some trances can be induced by meditation ( in India these are called Samadhi ) but most sages that matter try to avoid them. Only Ramana Maharshi went into numerous samadhi's after realisation and didn't seem to mind. People had to force-feed him or he would have died. He went out completely, and told that he could only tell how long he was out by standing up after waking up.
If he was unable to stand he knew he was out for more than 3 weeks. Imagine that. It adds nothing to the state you are in, before or after. Why bother ?
 
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 14:31   #5 (permalink)
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Okay, thanks for clarificating. I am not intrested going to trance.
 
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Old December 4th, 2009, 21:49   #6 (permalink)
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YouTube - Paramahansa Yogananda Sleep

You cant really see how it works on this video. Is there more specific instruction in some website? And has anyone here tried it?
This was clearly an instruction given to his followers who were already well established in Kriya Yoga which, from what I gather, is a way of moving energy (prana) in the body during meditation. Not meant for folks like us I would say.

As far as trance and samadhi are concerned, they can be seen as quite different - depending on how the words are used. I agree with you, Edwin.... trance is often used to mean loss of consciousness (and in the West, is often what happens with channelers when another soul takes over their body and speaks through them). But usually samadhi, in reference to Indian mahatmas (great souls) refers to the advanced state of meditation where there is an experience of oneness with God (or the Self). It's a heightened state of awareness of the Truth of existence. When Sri Anandamayi Ma was asked about an experience she had in samadhi she replied "I realized that the Universe was all my own manifestation (seeing her own God-Self)....I found myself face to face with the One that appears as many." Knowing her Oneness with the Infinite, she was looking at the multiplicity of forms that come out of that. Sri Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi, Mata Amritananda Mayi and many many othes all regularly go (or went) into this state.

The caution is that accompanying these states are the siddhis - the so-called powers such as clairvoyance, clairaudience, healing powers, etc. which can be distractions on the path. People become attached to them, so that having them serves the ego. Also, advanced states of absorption can be very blissful which also bring attachment.

Edwin is right, we need to develop wisdom - experience the Self - and not chase after thrills (I think that's what you meant Edwin ) but I, for one, would be delighted to go into samadhi like these Great Ones.
 
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Old December 7th, 2009, 16:36   #7 (permalink)
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Thank you for that extra clarification Bhavya
Your explanation was very clear.

I think the reason why I consider Samadhi pointless is that one completely disconnects from this physical world. I just happen to believe that being here, experiencing this, blessed with the gift of conciousness and awareness of that, means that we have to make use of that gift. Not to spoil our God-given talents as the story goes in the Bible. Samadhi is where I will be when my body has ceased to exist.
I see no point in going there now.

Well.... maybe once...
 
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