Staying in the now - Page 3

Edwin · November 30th, 2009, 14:05

Originally Posted by Panthau

Mooji reflects something in me, which i like... so i like watching his teachings

Same here.

Most astounding, even after realisation his video's are a pleasure to watch, as you can see the obvious love radiating from him, even on video. I have yet to find another Advaita teacher with whom I have the same reaction. Well, Eckhart Tolle comes close... But he mostly lectures, and Mooji interacts with the seekers.

ALL mooji's movies at this page: Satsang with Mooji

Even those where Mooji is still a seeker, just like you are now Pan, with his teacher, Papaji, a direct disciple of Ramana Maharshi.
Mooji realised the Self in 1999, just 3 months before Papaji's death.
All movies dated before that are when he was still searching.

Lovely site

Oh, and all Youtube movies posted by Moojiji are placed by Mooji himself or by someone who Mooji allowed them to post.

Edwin · November 30th, 2009, 14:12

Originally Posted by Panthau

No seriously... im asking myself since i´ve been reading this text, all the time "who is doing/thinking/feeling this and that". With the time it feels like im always touching a border, the borders around me. Like the limits im acting within my mind.

That's right, mind is limited. The only thing you have to realise is that even now, always, you are watching mind from the outside of that border.
It is impossible to be inside that border, as you are borderless. The thoughts, with all their limitations can't exist anywhere else then in your Consciousness Awareness.

You see, you are without limits. Just look inside, and tell me how big your Self is. Does Self end with your outer skin ? Or is it bigger than your skin ? If so, how many meters ?

Panthau · November 30th, 2009, 14:32

Thanks for the link Edwin, those are a lot of movies!

May i ask you Edwin, did you realized your self (fully) yet?

Im reading a book atm, its called "Open your heart instead of agonising" (Herz öffnen statt Kopf zerbrechen). Theres this method, when a emotion comes up, just to ask "what would it feel like without that emotion?" - which leads to the source pain. I tried it, and it works! Though alot of sources left to clear up *gg*

All that is need to be done, is to be here now and feel everything thats with you. Its so easy, and humans made it so complicated!

Edwin · November 30th, 2009, 18:55

Originally Posted by Panthau

Thanks for the link Edwin, those are a lot of movies!

May i ask you Edwin, did you realized your self (fully) yet?

No. It was allready there. I never realised anything. In fact, I don't exist.

Im reading a book atm, its called "Open your heart instead of agonising" (Herz öffnen statt Kopf zerbrechen). Theres this method, when a emotion comes up, just to ask "what would it feel like without that emotion?" - which leads to the source pain. I tried it, and it works! Though alot of sources left to clear up *gg*

Sounds like the Sedona method, or the Lester Levinson tapes that Matti gave a link of. Sedona method is based on Lester Levinson's teachings btw.

All that is need to be done, is to be here now and feel everything thats with you. Its so easy, and humans made it so complicated!

Never mind what other people do. For all you know, you could be the only one alive. Others might even be an illusion in a big dream you call life. Who can tell ?
You don't exist in the world, the world exists in you. Think about it.

All you can be sure of is that you exist, and that you are the one complicating your own life.

Panthau · December 1st, 2009, 09:24

Haha you never realised that you dont exist? So you were born with that wisdom? Congratulations, i want something from that cake

Right, how can we be sure of anything except that "i" exists? Its just a stream of information that could be anything from real to a real illusion *gg*

Edwin · December 1st, 2009, 10:39

Originally Posted by Panthau

Haha you never realised that you dont exist? So you were born with that wisdom? Congratulations, i want something from that cake

Just think: How can an "I" realise something when there is no "I" in the first place ?

You figured it out !

Right, how can we be sure of anything except that "i" exists? Its just a stream of information that could be anything from real to a real illusion *gg*

We can't ! Our existence is the only thing we don't have to prove to ourself.

How real is what we see, what we hear, what we feel ?
All our senses are running after the now in the first place, as the moment light hits the receptors in the eye is slightly before the information is transferred through your nerves into your brain, where it is re-made into a picture.
It takes a fraction of a second to process all that information.
We see a projection of the world. We don't see the actual world, for instance, we don't see ultraviolet lightwaves, or infrared.
We hear about a tenth of what a dog or a cat hears.
Elephants can hear infrasonic trembles that they can generate themselves, so they can tell where other elephants are over vast distances.
And what about bats !

Nothing we see or hear is the truth.

Panthau · December 1st, 2009, 17:17

Yup thats so true! Realising that lefts us quiet and tiny, wondering what reality is all about

Nothing we see or hear is the truth.

How can you be so sure of that? :P

Just think: How can an "I" realise something when there is no "I" in the first place ?

The ‘I’ casts off the illusion of ‘I’ and yet remains as ‘I’. Such is the paradox of Self- realization.
Ramana Maharshi

To i or not to i? ;-)

Theres the illusion of "I" which is created from the "Self", and the Self has the ability to get aware of itself, standing up from the illusion of "I" and see the world through the awareness of "Self" instead of seeing it through the filters of a personality. So how much percent of your daily life is "I" and how much "Self"?

Edwin · December 1st, 2009, 19:14

Originally Posted by Panthau

Theres the illusion of "I" which is created from the "Self", and the Self has the ability to get aware of itself, standing up from the illusion of "I" and see the world through the awareness of "Self" instead of seeing it through the filters of a personality. So how much percent of your daily life is "I" and how much "Self"?

All that is need to be done, is to be here now and feel everything thats with you. Its so easy, and humans made it so complicated!

Crap. I can't leave it at that.

*sigh*
Ok here goes:

Originally Posted by Panthau

Theres the illusion of "I" which is created from the "Self"

it is created within the Self, not from or by the self

, and the Self has the ability to get aware of itself

Self IS... All Self can be, is BE-ING. The ING indicates that it is a constant motion, it is doing BE-ing.

, standing up from the illusion of "I" and see the world through the awareness of "Self"

Which it allready is doing, right now, effortlessly.

instead of seeing it through the filters of a personality. So how much percent of your daily life is "I" and how much "Self"?

Everything is Self. It is the basis of our very existence. Without Self, there is nothing. No Self = No Panthau. Panthau is an image created by thought within the endless omnipresent field of Self. An object appearing in Self.

You are creating an image of Self.
Put down the image, put your hands on your head and step away, and lie down on the ground so I can cuff you.
I'll read you your rights later.

Self is also just a word pointing towards something that can't be captured in words. Stop conceptualising, and start looking inward !!!
Find your Self. Whenever you have a doubt, ask yourself "who is doubting".
Whenever you have a question, ask "who is questioning".
Whenever you feel angry, "who is angry"

And don't settle with an answer.

If you form an answer in your head, it is wrong. That is also a thought.

You have to SEE it. If you have no answer, that is the answer.
Now back to work !

Edwin · December 1st, 2009, 19:21

Originally Posted by Panthau

How can you be so sure of that? :P

Don't believe me, find out for yourself ! Doubt everything I say ! Investigate !

After all, how can a locksmith from the Netherlands know anything about this ?

seatrend8899 · December 1st, 2009, 21:29

Originally Posted by Edwin

Don't believe me, find out for yourself ! Doubt everything I say ! Investigate !

After all, how can a locksmith from the Netherlands know anything about this ?

But Edwin you hold the "bump key" to the doors that all us PM/LifeFlow newbies must in time pass through!

shine on

jim