What do you think about...

[Panthau]

...the fact, that we perceive our reality only in our brain? All the 5 senses that give us information are, as we know, only electric pulses and the reality itself is created in the brain.

So if we think about it, it would be easily possible that this is only an information stream, and theres no reality at all as we perceive it. Like a computer, that gets information through a cd or something, how can he decide if the reality he gets is "real"? He depends on what he perceives.

Any thoughts?

[GilesC]

Originally Posted by Panthau

...the fact, that we perceive our reality only in our brain? All the 5 senses that give us information are, as we know, only electric pulses and the reality itself is created in the brain.

So if we think about it, it would be easily possible that this is only an information stream, and theres no reality at all as we perceive it. Like a computer, that gets information through a cd or something, how can he decide if the reality he gets is "real"? He depends on what he perceives.

Any thoughts?

Very briefly...

How do you know that the brain is not just an interface between the senses and the True Self/One Awareness/Consciousness (whatever you want to call it)?

It's possible for people to have parts of their brain removed or suffer from some brain damage, which may manifest as a disability in the physical sense, but they are still completely aware and can still perceive "reality" (whatever that is).

If you close your eyes, are you still "aware"?

[Panthau]

Hehe yes of course, because of my other 4 senses

I see it the same way, that the brain is an interface to perceive the reality as it is, because
the true self couldnt experience things like that without an interface that shrinks the perception or reality the way it does.

Im asking myself, is this reality really there, or just a stream of information that hits the interface. On the other hand, its not that important.

Another thing would be, to quiet the 5 senses and perceive the "real" reality... i think thats what called out of body experiences.

One more thing: when we die, we perceive more information then when we´re alive. But still not the whole thing, so there must be another interface... made of energy?!

Maybe im too far off topic, and this is a bit philosphical, but my interface likes explanations *gg*

[CharlieBrown]

Originally Posted by Panthau

One more thing: when we die, we perceive more information then when we´re alive. But still not the whole thing

I wonder on the basis of what you can make that statement! How do you (or anyone else, for that matter) know what is perceived when we die?

[GilesC]

I was thinking the same Charlie Brown, but I guess Pan may simply have mis-explained due to English not being his native language. I'm sure he'll answer though.

Originally Posted by Panthau

Im asking myself, is this reality really there, or just a stream of information that hits the interface. On the other hand, its not that important.

Indeed. The only thing you can guarantee to know to exist 100% is your True Self (your Awareness).

Another thing would be, to quiet the 5 senses and perceive the "real" reality... i think thats what called out of body experiences.

Not necessarily an OoBE. When you truly enter the meditative state you go back to BEing one with your True Self. Sight, Smell, Taste, Sound, Touch, even time ceases to exist there.

One more thing: when we die, we perceive more information then when we´re alive. But still not the whole thing.

According to the teachings of the wise, we are already all One. How can we not be the whole thing when we die?

Maybe im too far off topic, and this is a bit philosphical, but my interface likes explanations *gg*

Nothing wrong with a good philosophical discussion.

Hugs

Giles

[Panthau]

Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

I wonder on the basis of what you can make that statement! How do you (or anyone else, for that matter) know what is perceived when we die?

On the basis of my believe system... im sorry, i should have mentioned that. From all information i´ve gathered so far, i definitly believe that we leave our body at our death and with that, our awareness "normaly" expands a bit, which of course does depend on the individuum. A few months ago, i woke up and my whole body was shaking, like waves of electricity were going through me. At that point i "remembered" (as crazy as this may sound) the process of dying and birth - thats the only thing in this case which i experienced, everything other is just my believe system.

Originally Posted by GilesC

According to the teachings of the wise, we are already all One. How can we not be the whole thing when we die?

From what i´ve collected on information, there are different in-between stages. First thing would be for most souls to go to their believe system, rest there and when they see that its only a believe system, they go further. Some souls also stuck, because their emotional bindings or their unfulfilled desires bind them to the near physical plain (astral). I think thats very individual, so when you´re ready im sure you can go instantly back to your whole beeing and decide as a whole what to do next (reincarnation or go further). Robert Monroe, William Buhlman and many others wrote books about that, which saw those things with their own astral eyes... of course, this could all be nonsense.

Nothing wrong with a good philosophical discussion.

Hugs

Giles

My sentiments exactly

[seatrend8899]

Hi Pan,
There are many, many observations that people have made through the centuries that are "unexplained". People "knowing" the life experiences of people that have died and had lived thousands of miles away. The multitude of people that have come forward to describe experiences openly without fear of ridicule.

Very well written post Pan.

The experience that you had as you awoke sounds like a tough one to cope with. Hopefully, your outlook on life has been strengthened by your experience. Pan, take every day one day at a time. Focus on the workouts as I do which will help in the stress department. More importantly focus on your loved ones in your life and appreciate them. They will get you through any tough waters.




shine on

jim

[CharlieBrown]

Originally Posted by Panthau

On the basis of my believe system... im sorry, i should have mentioned that.

I didn't mean to challenge your believe system Pan, I was just asking a question!
And I am up to any philosophical debate you guys wish to have
However my point is that we should always keep separate the facts and our believe systems - basically, one thing is what is actually happening, and one thing is what we believe... When it gets to believes, we are of course free to believe whatever we want, but of course believing something (or in something), doesn't transform this into a fact. That's what I believe, at least!

[Edwin]

YouTube - Consciousness - an animation of Spirit --www.advaita.org

[Panthau]

Originally Posted by Edwin

YouTube - Consciousness - an animation of Spirit --www.advaita.org

L-O-L great video