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Old July 3rd, 2011, 15:59   #1 (permalink)
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Hi All,

I have been meditated with lifeflow 10 now for just under 2 months.

I choose to do my meditaion before lunch at approx 12pm every day.

I chose this time of day becuase:

a) my mind is too busy first thing in the morning as i run a busy company and I have to get all of my ideas for the day out in the first few hours so after I get this out the way i can relax more the rest of the day.

b) I am always very relaxed in the evenings and really feel great this time of day so I wanted to do mediation at a time in the day when i am more stressed (hence why i chose mid-day)

Since I began i havent missed a day.

I have never meditated before 2 months before so it is completley new to me. But in principle I understand (thanks to Michael) what I am meant to do.

I begin to mediate every day following the mantra and within a couple of minutes I can indeed soley concentrate on the mantra and it feels great.

My problem is though I get so relaxed that i lose the mantra quickly and just cant stop nodding off! Which is such a shame as i can really feel euphoric when i am concentrating on the mantra!

every night i sleep like a baby (8 hours every night) so its not becuase i need the sleep surely?

I am an active person and am never normally tired, but as soon as i listen to lifeflow after about 10mins I keep dropping off. I dont go into a deep sleep and the bong in the track wakes me. But becuase I am drowsey it is near impossible to get the mantra concentration back and i quickly drift off again.

I have tried different positions to meditate in. But the rule of thumb is the more comfortable the position the more i relax. I have tried to sit in the cross legged postion but to be honest it just hurts and ok I dont nod of but i totally unenjoy the meditation becuase I'm in pain!

I am aware that i will still get great benifit from using the lifeflow program even if i go to sleep. But its a real shame becuase I was really up for the full meditative experience but feel I am not getting the full potential becuase i'm falling asleep.

Any of you kind people got some advice for a wanna be Zen monk?

kind regards Jamie
 
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Old July 4th, 2011, 14:26   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Jamie,

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a) my mind is too busy first thing in the morning
In truth, it's not. When you first wake, the mind is very still, it is just that your habits or choice of lifestyle activate the mind to make it seem "too busy". With time, this will become more apparent to you and you may find that meditating first thing is the most beneficial to prepare you for the day ahead.

as i run a busy company and I have to get all of my ideas for the day out in the first few hours
This is a self-limiting belief. You could choose to wake up 30 minutes earlier and do 20 minutes meditation before you start your usual routine.

I begin to mediate every day following the mantra and within a couple of minutes I can indeed soley concentrate on the mantra and it feels great.

My problem is though I get so relaxed that i lose the mantra quickly
That's ok, the mantra will come and go and speed up and slow down and do all sorts of things. If it goes and you recognise thoughts arising, simply use that as a trigger to yourself to invite the mantra back in it's own way. It's not so much about concentrating on the mantra as it is using the mantra as a tool to assist in quietening the thoughts in the mind.

and just cant stop nodding off! Which is such a shame as i can really feel euphoric when i am concentrating on the mantra!
It's great that you have good focus. Now let it move on from there. Seeking to feel euphoric and to concentrate on the mantra will often a certain level of relaxation, but will also prevent you from entering a deep state of meditation.

You may want to read Ta Tsu Wa's excellent thread here:

Principles of Meditation & Entrainment

every night i sleep like a baby (8 hours every night) so its not becuase i need the sleep surely?
Your body is probably catching up on needed sleep. With meditation practice this can often lead to a need for less sleep. I was taught that a 20 minute meditation can be the equivalent to a few hours good sleep, but don't force yourself awake if your body is telling you you need it.

I am an active person and am never normally tired, but as soon as i listen to lifeflow after about 10mins I keep dropping off. I dont go into a deep sleep and the bong in the track wakes me. But becuase I am drowsey it is near impossible to get the mantra concentration back and i quickly drift off again.

I have tried different positions to meditate in. But the rule of thumb is the more comfortable the position the more i relax. I have tried to sit in the cross legged postion but to be honest it just hurts and ok I dont nod of but i totally unenjoy the meditation becuase I'm in pain!
It's not necessary to make yourself uncomfortable or put yourself in pain. A good position for meditating is to sit in a comfortable chair with your feet flat on the floor and your back upright (lower back supported if you feel it necessary). The weight of the body should sit a straight down onto the chair as possible so that you don't have to force any muscles to hold you upright; it should feel natural. Typically it's best to ensure that your head is not supported; it should just sit on your shoulders; and this will be of benefit if you start to fall asleep as the head usually starts to drop and this will bring you back so that you can replace your focus on the mantra and continue your meditation practice.

Any of you kind people got some advice for a wanna be Zen monk?
Hope the above is helpful for you. And who wants to be a Zen monk anyway.

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Old July 4th, 2011, 18:03   #3 (permalink)
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Hi Giles, thank you for your reply and I will certainly use your advice. Do you think with continued practise i will be able to meditate without falling asleep?

and yes the zen monk theory is a bit ott
 
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Yes, practice will make a difference. For some people it may taken longer than others, but we all notice benefits of meditation differently at different times.



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Originally Posted by 100877jamie View Post
Hi All,

I have been meditated with lifeflow 10 now for just under 2 months.

I choose to do my meditaion before lunch at approx 12pm every day.

I chose this time of day becuase:

a) my mind is too busy first thing in the morning as i run a busy company and I have to get all of my ideas for the day out in the first few hours so after I get this out the way i can relax more the rest of the day.

b) I am always very relaxed in the evenings and really feel great this time of day so I wanted to do mediation at a time in the day when i am more stressed (hence why i chose mid-day)

Since I began i havent missed a day.

I have never meditated before 2 months before so it is completley new to me. But in principle I understand (thanks to Michael) what I am meant to do.

I begin to mediate every day following the mantra and within a couple of minutes I can indeed soley concentrate on the mantra and it feels great.

My problem is though I get so relaxed that i lose the mantra quickly and just cant stop nodding off! Which is such a shame as i can really feel euphoric when i am concentrating on the mantra!

every night i sleep like a baby (8 hours every night) so its not becuase i need the sleep surely?

I am an active person and am never normally tired, but as soon as i listen to lifeflow after about 10mins I keep dropping off. I dont go into a deep sleep and the bong in the track wakes me. But becuase I am drowsey it is near impossible to get the mantra concentration back and i quickly drift off again.

I have tried different positions to meditate in. But the rule of thumb is the more comfortable the position the more i relax. I have tried to sit in the cross legged postion but to be honest it just hurts and ok I dont nod of but i totally unenjoy the meditation becuase I'm in pain!

I am aware that i will still get great benifit from using the lifeflow program even if i go to sleep. But its a real shame becuase I was really up for the full meditative experience but feel I am not getting the full potential becuase i'm falling asleep.

Any of you kind people got some advice for a wanna be Zen monk?

kind regards Jamie
Aside from the excellent advice above, you might try meditating with your eyes cast downwards but open. This is from the Tibetan Buddhist tradition where many exclusively meditate this way. It does work
Good luck
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Old July 7th, 2011, 17:39   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks Bhavya, I have read this and may try this technique.
 
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