Do you think about it?

[Leonid]

Hello,

In many posts and articles people mention that everything that happened with us during the meditation should be ignored, and focused need to be regained to reach the meditative state.

I find myself quite often thinking about what happens with me, what are the processes that "I" feel ? light,cosmic energy, chi, meridians (not during the meditation).

From where your take your believes about the metaphysics of our world? have you ever test them?

It will be great to hear any opinions/ideas of yours on this issue.

Kind Regards,
Leonid

[GilesC]

Hi Leonid,

For me, yes, the majority comes from personal experience. It all started quite a few years ago when I was a complete skeptic (didn't believe any of this "woo" stuff) but learnt Tai Chi, and actually felt the Chi energy for myself. That led to me learning Reiki, then EFT, Freeway-CER, and other energy/meridian based therapies, as well as learning various meditation practices. On top of that I've always had an interest in how things worked, so through using it all and through studying various literature and discussing things with others of similar interests, I've really got an understanding in my own head how it all works. The difficulty is putting it into words, which can be so limiting sometimes.

It's not so much that you should ignore what happens during meditation, but that you shouldn't get attached to it. I always go along with the principle that if a thought or whatever arises during meditation, and it's something important, then it will there for me when I've finished meditating. If it's not, then it wasn't important.

Hugs

Giles

[Anglepen]

I find it beneficial not to try and block out the thought, feeling, pain etc but to acknowledge it, make a mental not its there and even give it a name, then let it go.

For example, you are sitting and meditating, you suddenly get a thought that you haven't returned your Mum's phone call!! (shame on you ) just say to yourself "ok, I'll do that as soon as I am finished here" then let the thought go.
Trying to block out a stimulii is incredibly difficult and could ultimately ruin your session.

It can be as simple as that, you mind won't forget that you need to make the call once you've accepted the prompt.

Give it a try!

Kev

Ps, sorry just re-read Giles' post and realised I had said a similar thing.

[GilesC]

Kev,

I completely agree. By trying to block a thought, you would actually end up putting your focus on it, and that would result in exactly the opposite of what you want... attachment. As you say, recognise it and let it go.

Hugs

Giles

[Leonid]

Originally Posted by Anglepen

For example, you are sitting and meditating, you suddenly get a thought that you haven't returned your Mum's phone call!! (shame on you )

lol

Originally Posted by Anglepen

Trying to block out a stimulii is incredibly difficult and could ultimately ruin your session.

Actually, blocking thoughts might be useful. If you in middle of the meditation and you realize that thoughts took over you (happens to me quite often), you can hold the thought and star process of "track backing" to the first thought that pop-upped - association chain. When you reach it, hold it, your mind won't be able to control again (for some time).

Originally Posted by GilesC

actually felt the Chi energy for myself

Yes, me too. But don't you think it can be only because we believe in the existing of certain system, "facts"?

Peace,
Leonid

[Anglepen]

Hi Leonid, you may have to enlighten me some more on "track backing" and its principals if you may. I fail to see how thoughts are welcome in a meditative state apart from incorporating them into it.

[Leonid]

Originally Posted by Anglepen

Hi Leonid, you may have to enlighten me some more on "track backing" and its principals if you may. I fail to see how thoughts are welcome in a meditative state apart from incorporating them into it.

They not part of meditative stat, they obstacles in the process of reaching it.

My mind tend to wander a lot, it make concentration harder, to overcome this state, I do track backing to the thought that first pop-upped.

The first is the important because it result of unresolved emotions/desires.

Because we have "single thought" mind, if you hold the thought, the mind will stop wander, for some time.

Kind Regards,
Leonid

[GilesC]

Originally Posted by Leonid

Yes, me too. But don't you think it can be only because we believe in the existing of certain system, "facts"?

As I said, I was a complete skeptic. There was no belief there when I first experienced it. I didn't know what it was, but then went on to invetigate further.

Hugs

Giles