Holosync critical?

[Hombre]

Hi,

I am new to this forum and to Lifeflow. Made a bit of research and it seems that Holosync is a major player. However I question the authenticity of the program due to some results of my "investigation"... for example I read how the developer leashed out against Mr. Bob Doyle (did not know him, so I looked it up - he is a fellow of his in the movie, the secret) and he was not aware of that, did not know the man or his work and judged him as totally incompetent - of course later he found out and made strange back-pedalling move. In an ongoing blog of his he got into a silly fight with a guy called "Deiter" where he shows bad manners and total unawareness of scientific issues, but even more striking he acts totally weird, contradicting his "teachings". (see for yourself, in his blog "Going To Hell in a Handbasket part 2" - you have to scroll down on the comments to see the conversation).

So here is my question: if the developer of a product does show clear signs of lack of awareness and behaves aggressive, totally full of himself and incoherent contradicting what he claims to teach based on the achievements and workings of his technique...doesn't that invalidate his product?
Who wants to be like that after having spent a fortune … So I wonder if anybody observed waves of egotism and arrogance, aggressiveness, defensiveness, fear or ignorance (or anything along these lines) after having worked with Holosync or any other braintrain product, in particular Lifeflow? And can that be explained, in terms of what went possibly wrong (technically) here. Or does is only show the lack of effectiveness for him to having made any personal change to obvious traits of his character? Would not want to walk into a trap like that and meditation is known for producing only positive changes and results. I started to meditate 30 years ago and with some periods of more or less I noticed only positive results. Later I got a bit into braintrain technology to help clients with stress issues to relax. I work so far with a program where I can generate /design my own binaural beats, however I want to try something else. Never I have seen negative effects – may be I got lucky. As they keep asking me for more due to the positive impact of what they have received from me, I look for a product to recommend. As I am to busy to create new stuff and I do not need to reinvent the wheel I think. So I started to research for ready made programs and found Holosync and Lifeflow and others.

Here is my line of thought: if it does not work for him, how can it work for others (of course he has done all levels).....having seen that it has totally put me off on buying any of his products.

Any thoughts or experiences here?

I think that authenticity and coherence of the developer is a key issue and I wonder if there is a way to evaluate that aspect for Lifeflow too? The Holosync guy really put me off by his actions and clear evidence with respect to lack of authenticity and coherence.

Thanks in advance for some pointers and comments

[Edwin]

Hi Hombre, and welcome to the forums.

This may not be the answer you might expect, but I won't talk about Holosync in these forums.
The forums were started by the founder of LifeFlow, and since I have had very positive results from LifeFlow, and absolutely no results from holosync since I haven't even tried it once, I think I am in no place to talk negative about the product or the system used to sell it.

All I can talk about is how I like the way that LifeFlow is being sold, and how LifeFlow could better be described as LifeChange in my particular case.

If you have second thoughts about a product, don't buy it, either being them LifeFlow or Holosync. The products cost a lot of money, even tho one will probably be cheaper than the other, and you better spend your money wisely, it is in your own interest to not waste money.
I have my own business, and even in the times when I had no money to spare and was about to lose my business, I never went into business with someone who I felt I could not trust, or tried to buy or sell a system which I couldn't support completely. In retrospect, this is probably the reason why my business hasn't fallen. This is common sense.

My advice is to get in touch with the developer, I did.
I talked to Michael Mackenzie through email ( me being Dutch and him living in the NY area ) and confronted him with what I thought was a cheap salestechnique at that time. I was under the assumption then that people weren't allowed to make an honest buck from spiritual products for some reason.
Michael surprised me with his answer, and completely turned my opinion around about this subject.

The developer/salesperson should know what they are selling, be honest and in my opinion, shouldn't fall into the cheap trap of scolding other systems unless they are real frauds, and even then be careful with what they say.
Thinking that every dollar spent on another system is a dollar lost on your own is in my opinion both bad form, and a shortsighted way to look at the world. My opinion is that quality sells itself and if you really do what you promise, even advertisement isn't needed that much, as mouth-to-mouth advertising is the best. People will be glad to talk about the quality system they bought rather than shamefully admitting that they were cheated.

But as far as the quality of the LifeFlow system goes, my personal opinion is that it rocks

[Hombre]

Hello Edwin,

Thanks for your comment. I was not looking for negative talk about Holosync. Just wanted to hear about experiences in particular with Lifeflow. I just used the results of my investigation as an example of a danger I am trying to avoid.
I am considering contacting the developer Michael Mackenzie that is a valuable hint.

So your comments served me well, your balanced reply is highly appreciated.
Greetings from Spain

[Panthau]

You´ll find plenty of testimonials on this forum, including me. I never heard or read anything about negative results about Lifeflow (also not about Holosync, though i only tried it for 2 months).

I´d suggest you read a little bit on the forums here, and then draw your conclusion.

Besides that, dont forget that your focus determinites your subjective reality. Humans are used to always focus on the negative things, and therefore get negative results. Thats how we learn it, and when we´re old enough, we begin to wonder why this world is so negative.

[GilesC]

Originally Posted by Hombre

So here is my question: if the developer of a product does show clear signs of lack of awareness and behaves aggressive, totally full of himself and incoherent contradicting what he claims to teach based on the achievements and workings of his technique...doesn't that invalidate his product?
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Here is my line of thought: if it does not work for him, how can it work for others (of course he has done all levels).....having seen that it has totally put me off on buying any of his products.

Any thoughts or experiences here?

I think that authenticity and coherence of the developer is a key issue

Does the expert carpenter who has years of experience at carpentry, always make things to perfection?

Of course, we all have our downturns, upsets, moments of madness, and make mistakes. This is the constant battle (for want of a better word) against our mind controlling us rather than us controlling the mind.

We cannot always be perfect here in the present moment but, as Don Miguel Ruiz says in his 4th Agreement... "Always do your best, no more, no less".

If we're doing our best, whether that's at practicing meditation, using our own teachings or products or whatever. that is all we can do. I wouldn't expect anyone to have completely reached perfection.

Hugs

Giles

[Itlandm]

I have used both Holosync and LifeFlow, for a period I actually used both at different times of the day. I can't say I have any negative experiences with any of them, except for a brief episode where I overdosed on them when I was new and inexperienced. I doubt any of them will damage your soul, but of course anyone might get arrogant if they experience success and attribute it to their own ego. That goes for pretty much any undertaking, unfortunately. It is a subtle temptation, and very gradual. We may feel certain that it would never happen to us, but only those who have stood the test know for sure.

As for LifeFlow, the reason why I picked it up was these forums. I strongly recommend taking some time to read here, and see if it resonates with you. Would you want to become such a person, or remain such a person if you already are one, as the regulars here? For me, that was the strongest recommendation. I believe in the whole "good tree, good fruit" thing. But of course trees rarely bear fruit the first months.

[Hombre]

Thanks everybody for your comments. I like the phrase "good tree, good fruit" as it kind of summarize the essence of my concern – looking at the fruit I was a bit concerned about the “tree” and raised the question if there is a risk of the product – kind of the “fruit” affecting the “tree” in a negative “feedback loop”. Unfortunately the shown behaviour of the developer in case seems not to have been a one-time or “bad day” type of expression, as it was shown on a kind of consistent and long term basis. In my opinion and form of “meditation” ought to produce an “ego-reducing” effect as it usually broadens awareness and helps to relax rather than being aggressive.
I am sure it takes time to see the fruits and I wanted to be aware of possible side effects which do take time too to show up and kind of ruin the effort.
That is why I asked for experiences to see if there is a kind of (unwanted) side effect using this technology. In any case I am grateful for the experienced based feedbacks here. Cheers