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Old June 1st, 2009, 00:29   #1 (permalink)
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Default TM and mantra meditations meanings ( sound vibes )

I read that each mantra makes a different sound and causes different effects:

Although TM has tried to keep the mantras secret, many lapsed instructors have revealed that the following 16 are usually given: eng-em-enga-ema - aeag- aem - aenga - aema - shiring- shirim - hiring- hirim - kiring-kirim-shyam-shyama. Each of these mantras is given to a particular age group. For instance, those between 26 and 30 years are given shiring. (So much for the claim of a personalised mantra!) On inspection these mantras turn out to be "seed-mantras", magical invocations of the main Hindu gods. The first eight mantras are variations of "Aim", the invocation of Sarasvati, wife of Brahma and Goddess of all creative arts. "Hirim" calls on Shiva, "Shirim" on the Goddess Lakshmi and "Kirim"on Kalika.

To understand the force of this, one should enter Hindu philosophy. The origins of the universe are thought to be linked to sounds. The more basic the sound, the greater its religious and magical power. "Seed-mantras" are considered extremely powerful because in themselves they express and make present the original divinities at the root of existence. As D. S. Sarma puts it: "A mantra is not a mere formula or a magic spell or a prayer; it is an embodiment in sound of a particular deity. It is the deity itself. And so, when a mantra is repeated a hundred times, or a thousand times, or even more, and the worshipper makes an effort to identify himlself with the worshipped, the power of the deity comes to his help."

The Mantra Mystery
Shirim
Shiring
Kirim
Kiring
Hirim
Hiram
Hiring
Sham
Shama
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Old June 1st, 2009, 10:41   #2 (permalink)
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Not sure about the different sounds causing different effects, in terms of doing meditation, as the purpose of the mantra is to take us away from the thoughts in the mind.

Yes, with TM, there are these 16 mantra that relate to deities in vedic teachings, but the fact that they are given to the student based on the age they are at the time they learn meditation, clearly indicates that the different sounds are not actually important for TM. When Maharishi Mahesh Yogi brought TM to the West in the 60's, he himself said that any word could be used as a mantra. The interesting thing with TM is that when the student is given their mantra, they are told it is personal to them, and they are not (as far as I'm aware) told that their sound is the name of a deity from Hindu/Vedic teachings or that the ceremonial induction into TM is based around praising the deities and gods of that philosophy.

Of course, different sounds do have different effects if we use the sounds for such purposes and we are focused on them, as we have with Sound Healing techniques.

The origins of the universe are thought to be linked to sounds.
This is true. If we look at what sounds are, they are vibrations of particles and particles are, according to Einsteins equation, energy. In fact the whole of the universe according to that equation, is energy. Science talks of the "Big Bang", Religion talks of "In the beginning was the word", the word being a sound and, logically, we can say that any movement, vibration of particles can produce sound. So, from the moment the universe was created (assuming you believe in creationism), there was vibration and thus sound, and these different vibrations, these different sounds, are what create the different matter in the universe.

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Old June 2nd, 2009, 12:11   #3 (permalink)
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hey GilesC, out of curiosity. What meditation are you using? Have you experienced the state what tolle is talking about consistently?
 
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I was taught meditation under the label of Dynamic Deep Meditation. It's essentially the same as what is taught for TM but without the ceremony and frills, just like Michael teaches for free here.

Have I experienced that state? On occasions yes, and more so the more I am meditating and the more I am recognising my true self through Vedic teachings. Experiencing it consistently would be great, if possible.... Not yet, but only time will tell.
 
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