The secret to the Law of Attraction

[mitchfilsinger]

I know!! It truly is an amazing phenomenon. Cheers.

What I love is that the moments of peace are getting longer and happening more frequently. And I've only just begun meditation and experiencing egolessness. I know what you mean, once I experienced peace it was like everything I needed was right there in front of me. It's a glorious feeling. And the thing is...everything I do need is right here. Ahh great stuff, this is making me happy just typing it. I have been trying to find happiness in material things lately. Focusing on peace is a great idea, thank you.

You are so right Edwin, thank you. I realize now that I should have said "stop reacting to thought" rather than "stop thinking", but your reply speaks complete truth. In the midst of trying to find myself and this thoughtless state I directed myself to a video by Sri Bhagavan that I felt best described the "thoughtless" state. He says that thoughts are there, that is a fact, and there is nothing we can do. He says if you allow those thoughts to pass and not react to them, like you said, then the healing can begin. I have found that by accepting myself and accepting my thoughts, no matter what they are, that I have begun to transform the way I have been thinking. I guess my ego was attacking me. I would think something I didn’t want think and then run away from it, so my ego would pursue that. Once I starting looking at my thoughts and stopped reacting to them, I stopped feeding the ego. Now those thoughts never come. I'm not sure I believe in a thoughtless state. Although I have experienced a state of not reacting to my thoughts, and this almost seems thoughtless. Acceptance was the hardest thing that I had to do, but it was the most important. I understand what you mean by feeling the good things now. When I replied to this it was a spur of the moment thought I had after reading only a few paragraphs from the LOA secret. Once I read the entire thing it was cleared up.

Thanks both for your replies. If the thoughtless state exists then I can't wait to join you guys there.

Mitch.

[mitchfilsinger]

Originally Posted by Bhavya

Hi Mitch
I want to add something to the responses above. As Edwin said, your thoughts aren't you - they are only a part of you, your ego. Still, we know that thoughts are creative which means that when our minds are full of negative reactions to what is, we are affecting what comes to us. What a problem and what to do!

I know from experience that resisting a negative thought or reaction can make it stronger so as Basmaki (Gus) said above, the best thing is just to observe it. By doing that we detach and get in touch with a deeper Self that's doing the observing. It's our mind, our thinking and not us. I've gotten to the point where I can laugh at some of my programming. I'm just not as attached to it anymore and let it play out. Because I'm not emotionally tied to it, it loses its creative juice.

Like Gus, I want peace which for me means the highest and best for everyone, but I also need help as I'm trying to maneuver through life, so I ask for guidance in that vein. If I want to draw something to me I ask that it be "in divine order." I ask for my heart to open, my thoughts and words to be filled with loving kindness for myself and everyone I meet and my mind to find wise solutions to whatever problem is presenting itself. If I can think and speak and do good, I help others and I also draw the same to myself.

I'm not a saint. I still have lots of negative tendencies, but little by little I am learning to be positive. And the motivation for doing all this is that it makes me happier not to mention the people around me.

Finally, I think that accepting things as they are like you said above is really a wise way to live if you mean that you don't lose energy by shaking a fist at fate when difficult things come. We are living out the fruits of our karma which is another way to look at the LOA. We have drawn our present experiences to us from past actions (karma means action). There's nothing we can do about what has come, only how we react. And how we choose to act from now on. I find a lot of peace in that.

Wishing you the best,

Bhavya

Thank you. I just missed your reply when I wrote my other one.

As you can see we are both breathing on fairly similar grounds. I would love to do the same as you, emanate pure love out to the world and everything and everyone I meet. It is difficult, however, but it is a path I am finding myself taking since breaking though the acceptance phase. I definitely still have negative tendencies too, but I found that through observation they can easily be turned into a positive one. That’s true about not mentioning it to people around you, great advice.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply. Cheers.

[bashmaki]

Edwin made a very good point in stating the relevance of ones thoughts and ones relationship to them. Those thoughts become powerless when we deem them to have no power over us.
As Bhavya said, our thoughts eventually become laughable as we realize the above statement. At the same time one can learn much about oneself by objectively observing these thoughts and being brutally honest about their nature and importance in ones life. So they can serve a purpose of sorts . . .I believe. I think If we can learn not to take ourselves too seriously in all of this, it helps too. I find myself laughing at some of the thoughts as well.

Excellent stuff Edwin & Bhavya!

Thanks for bring it up Mitch,

gus

[Edwin]

I have noticed that it is impossible to stop thinking in order to reach the stillness within.
Strangely enough, it is however possible to stop thinking once you are in the stillness within.

The stillness seems to radiate out of that deep feeling of peace and being content. It's hard to explain, as I try to translate the feeling to words it all becomes meaningless, but hopefully I can bring it across.

Reaching the stillness within you is actually quite easy. All you have to do is meditate twice a day. Keep doing this for at least 6-12 months, and you will see that you have "trained" yourself to be able to feel peacefull and at ease when you want to. During these meditations you will have short moments of complete one-ness with the Universe, and just thinking about that feeling can bring it back, especially on the moments you need it most.

Sometimes a word or "label" will come up during that stillness, oftan a reaction to the world around you that you are moving through at that time ( things like a woodpecker flying by that seems to trigger the word "bird" in your mind ) but it becomes easyer and easyer to recognise it as nothing more than what it is, and it will pass by. The moments in between these words will get longer and longer, and the feeling of being one with the universe and being in complete peace with yourself will grow deeper. It's like being in love without the hormones racing through you, just the pleasant part of love without the negative reactions in your mind.

I hope you will reach this soon

[mitchfilsinger]

This all sounds great! Thanks everyone. Good chat.

[bashmaki]

Originally Posted by Edwin

It's hard to explain, as I try to translate the feeling to words it all becomes meaningless, but hopefully I can bring it across.

Edwin you've done about as good a job describing this as any. I've made feeble attempts to do it but nearly always fall short and delete what I've typed.
In the book, "Midfulness:In Plain English" the author, Gunaratana, states over and over again that "This awareness cannot be described adequately. Words are not enough. It can only be experienced."
He goes on to try to explain the coming relationship with the breath as one uses it to practice meditation.
Again I quote from the above book, "Breath ceases to be just breath; it is no longer limited to the static and familiar concept you once held. . . Breath becomes a living, changing process, something alive and facinating."

The only thing I can say about this is that within awareness,each breath becomes a Universe unto itself and in that thoughtless moment the mind contains it all in splendor.

gus

[mitchfilsinger]

Originally Posted by bashmaki

Edwin made a very good point in stating the relevance of ones thoughts and ones relationship to them. Those thoughts become powerless when we deem them to have no power over us.
As Bhavya said, our thoughts eventually become laughable as we realize the above statement. At the same time one can learn much about oneself by objectively observing these thoughts and being brutally honest about their nature and importance in ones life. So they can serve a purpose of sorts . . .I believe. I think If we can learn not to take ourselves too seriously in all of this, it helps too. I find myself laughing at some of the thoughts as well.

Excellent stuff Edwin & Bhavya!

Thanks for bring it up Mitch,

gus

I understand what you are saying, but if I am to be brutally honest about the nature of my thoughts and the importance of them, am I not giving into what is past and what is to come instead of living in the present moment? I find that by putting my thoughts into their place that I am just whitewashing the fact that I'm still being controlled by them. My ego gets the chance to say “ohhh, so that I why I am thinking this.” By putting them into their place am I accepting them as a part of me, thus, in the future, I can observe those thoughts without judgment? Does looking at them eventually lead to the pure acceptance that I still seek? Am I reacting to a thought right now thus triggering this reply?

Right now I am following a teaching of Paramahamsa Nithyananda:

YouTube - Present Moment - Keys to Enlightenment Part 1
YouTube - Present Moment - Key to Enlightenment - Part 2

These videos are quite good. I thought I would share.

Mitch.

[bashmaki]

[quote=mitchfilsinger;4349f I am to be brutally honest about the nature of my thoughts and the importance of them, am I not giving into what is past and what is to come instead of living in the present moment? I find that by putting my thoughts into their place that I am just whitewashing the fact that I'm still being controlled by them. My ego gets the chance to say “ohhh, so that I why I am thinking this.” By putting them into their place am I accepting them as a part of me, thus, in the future, I can observe those thoughts without judgment? [/QUOTE]


Mitch,
This where it gets to the nitty gritty!

If one were using the thinking mind to analyze these thoughts there is no doubt there would be any number of directions one could go with them and yes, the ego would run wild with answers that would bolster itself to no end.

The key is watching the thoughts through the presence of awareness. This process give it the objectiveness one needs to look without meddling. Through awareness one sees the truth of these thoughts and how the ego would use them for it's own self serving purpose.

This all takes place under the watchful eye of unabashed truthfulness. You will begin to recognize the truth in your thoughts as well as the falsity with practice. It is not the awareness that needs the practice only the observer. Awareness can only see these thoughts for what they truly are. In time one can discern one from the other. Then acceptance of what awareness brings one leads to peace and freedom.


Now with this I must give a disclaimer! I am here just as you are. I am still learning to do this. I can only teach that which I need to learn myself. I need verification through repetition. Through helping you understand . . .I understand also. We are here together

Thanks Mitch,
gus

[mitchfilsinger]

Thank you so much. That is so elegantly put I feel much happier now. I understand that it will take time, and I plan a future of meditation and hopefully, in the near future, LifeFlow. You are truly a wonderful person, and I have not met many in my lifetime, which is that of only 18 years. I wish you all the luck in finding your way and may we together find true happiness in this life we share. Cheers.

Mitch.

[Edwin]

Originally Posted by bashmaki

Now with this I must give a disclaimer! I am here just as you are. I am still learning to do this. I can only teach that which I need to learn myself. I need verification through repetition. Through helping you understand . . .I understand also. We are here together

Thanks Mitch,
gus

True Gus,

I too still consider myself a traveller down the road to enlightenment, even tho my progress this year has been an amazing experience, I very strongly get the feeling I am still only at the beginning !

That doesn't have to stop us from showing those who just started on the same road where the short-cuts are tho I learn as I talk, and some insights have come during the creative process of discussion inhere

Mitch, I think you are doing a very good job with the questions you have. If all this would be a matter of faith, we would have transformed Michael Mackenzie into a spiritual leader, and started an online church ( actually, this sounds appealing, especially if they would make me treasurer ).
Feel free to discuss whatever you doubt, it helpes us put things back in perspective as well !

Greets,

Edwin.