A Question on the Law of Attraction.

[GilesC]

Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

My bad Giles, I assumed the whole LOA "thing" came out with "The Secret" - now I understand...

I have a friend (David a.k.a. Venetian) over on the forum I moderate on, who has a lot of deep understanding and knowledge of historical spiritual matter including the law of attraction.

Here's a thread over there where we were talking LOA (in fact there's a lot of threads, but this one's a starting point)...
The Secret - Gosh or Tosh?? - Healthypages

Essentially, David has done a lot of research/reading and is well aware of "old" texts, dating back to victorian times and before, that describe exactly the same thing as the LOA.

"The Secret" is just a modern day re-hash of old age knowledge and tailored towards material gain. As you'll be able to tell from that thread and others, David isn't much of a fan of "The Secret" as an accurate teaching of the LOA.

Hugs

Giles

[king.sidharth]

I always say this, 'The Secret' is good movie for introduction but a bad movie to follow. People who watch it simply assume that visualization and wo woo positive thinking is their work. THAT IS NOT SO!

Anyways, awesome questions...

Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

Let’s make an example: at some point it says that to lose weight, you can follow the LOA process and do nothing else than that (no need to exercise more or reduce the food intake). Now, this is just impossible for me to digest. There is one thing called the energetic balance: if you absorb more calories than you burn, your body will transform a part of the rest in fat – as simple as that. So how do the two things reconcile?

You are assuming that loosing weight is an action journey. You do some action and result will be less weight. But everything in this vibrational universe is vibrational journey and for anything to change, it must change it's vibration.

Here is someone who is over weight and wanting to loose weight - tires a 100 things and looses some of it but gains back again. But here is someone who changes the thought or vibration behind it. Now here is somehting important: You do not get fat necessarily coz you are thinking about being fat. You are getting fat (away from natural well being) because you don't like that person at work, you hate your ex, you hate that man next dore. Any negative thought, if prolonged, will cause such effects.

Now you change that by looking thins to appreciation. Making effort to feel better no matter what - all day every day. Now your carving subsides and your body returns to it's natural state of health as it is responding to yoru thoughts.

Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

Another one is about abundance: just believing that there is enough for anyone, is simply not true, as proved not only by economics (which deals with managing scarce resources), but by logic as well: let’s assume we all want to go and live in the south of Italy, because we like the weather there. That would just be plain impossible, because of the scarcity of the resource “land”, which results in scarcity of the resource “house” – not enough space for building houses for all of us.

"What you believe is what you get". If you believe that there is finite amount of money that Law of Attraction will show you results that match that belief.

Just think about this, is the amount of money, today, same as it was in 1810? 1910? No! It's increasing - as more and more people are asking and increasing their 'awareness abundance. Money is not related to amount but mindset,

Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

Last thing: I don’t see how can I buy into the “if you can imagine it, you can make it real” concept: I can imagine an apple floating in mid air, give thanks for it, live as if it was happening, but given there is a thing called “law of gravity”, this will never happen! Don’t take me wrong: I appreciate the other way around, which is that if something does not materialize in the mind first, it will not be materialize in the outer reality either (for something to happen, I have to believe in it and make it happen in my mind first). However, I just don’t believe in the other part of the equation, as per point above…

Law of Gravity, has been overcome so many times. THat's how we reached the moon. If you really desire that apple to float and believe it can - you will find a way.

Remember, the idea of electricity and iPod was as absurd as this idea of floating apple is (some years ago) and now it's obvious. That's law of attraction a result of which is the law of gravitation.


Hope that helps.

[rave]

The problem with the Secret as I see it is that one of the original sources the Science of Getting Rich had a very important chapter - 12 on efficient action. I think the Secret crowd knew that by stripping the action part out the "Secret" would sell and if you told people you need to take action it would not. This is why people struggle. In fact I know lots of negative but action oriented people and they do better than positive non-action oriented people. Action is a huge key. Great forum by the way, glad I found it.

Gerry

[islovin]

Just thought I would share how I use what is commonly described as the "Law Of Attraction".

This is what I do.

For me the goal was never weight loss... not really sure why anyone would want weight loss as a goal because to me I equate weight loss with sickness...

MY goal is to be healthy...

I want to be healthy.

One of the first things I say to myself in the present tense...

"I am physically fit".

Then I ask myself... Why do I want to be healthy?

The answer... because I will feel better.

Then I ask myself...What can I do to feel better?

The answer comes to me and I start doing those things.

Here is a list of some of those things:

I eat whole fresh fruits usually in the form of a smoothie for breakfast everyday with powdered vitamins minerals protein and fiber.(I create my own combination based on what feels right for me.)
I eat whole fresh vegetables everyday.
I walk vigorously for over an hour using a heart rate monitor to keep my heart rate up.
I bike ride for over an hour also with a heart rate monitor.
I use some light dumbells
I do sit ups.
I do any and all of these things when I feel like it...which is most every day(except in the winter).
I do not get upset with myself if I skip a day(week month) of exercise or don't eat right.
This in addition to my meditation keeps the endorphines flowing...and I feel better and I feel Healthy.

The result....I have lost weight but not much maybe 5 pounds and still weigh more then I "should" for my height and am heavier then my lowest adult weight.... but most importantly for me.... I look and feel better and other people say so.

I am wearing smaller size clothes and my old pants fall off of me. But in reality I have not lost any weight.

I have acheived my goal!!!

[Panthau]

Hm if i tell myself i want to be healthy, doesnt that imply that theres an ill to cure?

[islovin]

Panthau

That is exactly why I tell myself I am physically fit.

I focus on what I want not what I don't want.

[Panthau]

Ok alright, thats good! Sorry it seems i havent read it proper.

The thing is, that you really have to believe it... if theres a feeling of negativity, even if its very small, then theres a negative motivation. Thats why it doesnt work for people with less self esteem.

[islovin]

Yes it takes practice. Actually that is what meditation helps with. Learning to change your focus is what meditation is all about.

Everytime a negative thought comes in to mind I replace it with what I DO want.

Here is something else...Everytime you feel sad...it is because you are focusing on what you do NOT want.

The key is finding the "phrase", and an internal picture to replace the focus from what you don't want to what you do want.

I am physically fit I couple that with an internal picture of myself doing something that I associate with being physically fit.

Yes, believing this on an inner level and attaching a strong positive emotion to this, makes it happen faster and become something sustainable in your life.

[GilesC]

Originally Posted by Panthau

Hm if i tell myself i want to be healthy, doesnt that imply that theres an ill to cure?

Not necessarily. A person who feels perfectly ok can use positive affirmations and mindfulness (being present) to stay that way.

The other important point is to make sure you say it as if it exists already. As islovin said:

MY goal is to be healthy...

I want to be healthy.

One of the first things I say to myself in the present tense...

"I am physically fit".

Putting it in the present moment starts to make the unconscious mind believe it to be so (even if your conscious mind is telling you it's not true) and saying it several times over helps to reinforce that in the unconscious. The unconscious will then be more perceptive of the things around you that help to bring that statement to truth... they may just be small things but if you look out for them, you'll notice them and then you can act on them and help yourself to make it true. This is where a lot of people go wrong with LOA. They believe that simply stating it means it will come true and that they will have to do nothing themselves to make it so... whereas the statement simply helps our awareness to become more perceptive of the situations/objects/whatever in our lives that can help it become true.

If you try it and find it doesn't seem to be working there may be what, in EFT terms is called Psychological Reversal. This is where the Conscious and Unconscious truly believe different things. e.g. a common one I have found with people is where they consciously say "I want to lose weight" and consciously they really believe that. However, using muscle testing we find out that their unconscious is saying "I don't want to lose weight". Once this becomes apparent we can find out why the person doesn't want to lose weight, remove the pschological reversal* and deal with the issues that have been preventing them from wanting to lose weight.

* to remove psychological reversal, if you know EFT, (if you don't download the free manual from EFT Home - World Center for EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) for the instructions), it can simply be a case of tapping on the karate chop point on the side of the hand whilst saying "Even though I don't want to lose weight (or whatever the issue is), I'm OK (or "I choose to be OK")"

So, using something like EFT can work really well with the Law of Attraction for overcoming issues and instilling positive self belief and attitude. Couple that with meditation and you've got one hell of a toolkit to use for self healing and getting your life back on track.

Hugs

Giles

[Panthau]

Thanks for explaining... i wonder how to find the "phrase" mentioned by islovin. In my experience, my feelings are most times cutted from their source (at least in my conscious perception). Thats why i suffered so much, because i had no clue where my feelings came from. This hasnt changend, though i can disconnect now from whats happening inside me and therefore it loses its pressure.

So if im imaging money all around me and im open to receive it, miracles happen... customer call me 10x times more often then they would when im closed up inside.

But if i imagine winning the lottery or getting a huge amount of money, theres a negative feeling inside me. Could this feeling be a believe system i once learned?
Not that i would need that much money, just used it as an example