Taking a step into the world of our Being - Page 12

Edwin · November 7th, 2009, 03:29

Found you a link !

End of Seeking - End of Searching

Fergusclan · November 7th, 2009, 10:34

Wow Giles. That is exactly how I see it too, I must be getting closer...

billyboy2674 · November 7th, 2009, 13:03

Thanks for the link Edwin,I'm taking a good long seethrough.

Don't wonder if awareness is a construct, investigate it within yourself.
You are definately onto something.

You know that you arrive there when you can't describe it.
As long as you can describe awareness, it is a mental construct of awareness. As soon as your mind goes blank, and you get this strange spaceous sensation, and a strange empty, relaxed feeling, that's when you are getting close.

Great pointers there my friend.Thanks again.

GilesC · November 7th, 2009, 17:09

Originally Posted by billyboy2674

It may appear that the mind is shut off in order to see,but the seeing is done at least partially from the mind,or so to me it seems.

If you can see (be aware of) the mind in action, you cannot be the mind.

In other words,I know that Tolle is definetely on to something big,

Tolle is very learned and teaches the philosophy well, however, it's not something he's on to, but something that has always been. The philosophy he teaches is no different from the Vedic teachings, just re-worded for the modern Western audience.

but I wonder if that joy of being is not at least a mind-construct.If it is,who's to say that it is just partially and not an alternative ego?

Be careful not to confuse emotional feelings with truth. True Joy = True Love = True Bliss = True Truth = True Self. These are all the same thing. When the True self becomes attached to emotions it becomes Ahankara (the ego) and is no longer the truth. Emotional Joy does not equal True Joy. True Joy always exists (but is sometimes covered up by our mind/emotions etc.). Emotional Joy comes and goes.

I do feel that this awareness of knowing there's something behind the something points to God,but I'm not sure that it is right or just a well thought out contrieve to figure out the no-thing.

Being the truth, you will come to know it as true from your own experience. Nobody can tell you wat is true, you can only find that out for yourself.

Hugs

Giles

Edwin · November 7th, 2009, 17:21

Originally Posted by GilesC

Being the truth, you will come to know it as true from your own experience. Nobody can tell you wat is true, you can only find that out for yourself.

This is the ultimate truth.

Until you experience it yourself, please keep asking questions, search inside yourself to find your Self so to speak.

You will know this to be true when you know it.

We need a seperate section of the forum Giles !

GilesC · November 7th, 2009, 17:57

Originally Posted by Edwin

We need a seperate section of the forum Giles !

Too right! If Eckhart can have his own section here we can't we.

And he doesn't even come on and contribute. LOL!

billyboy2674 · November 8th, 2009, 14:46

The philosophy he teaches is no different from the Vedic teachings, just re-worded for the modern Western audience.

The Vedics are doctrinal and exclusive in nature whereas Eckhart is non-secular.

Anyway to my main point:

If you can see (be aware of) the mind in action, you cannot be the mind.

Tis is what I don't know to be true.
If I watch over my mind,it may be an experience similar to when I see my reflection in the mirror.
I cannot percieve without mind.Or so I currently believe.
I may be able to partially shut it off,and not be enslaved to it for sure,but as to my current state of consciousness if I can percieve something,even if it is emptiness and silence,I do not know that it isn't from an untapped source of mind or alter-ego.

My other question would be...if we are not the mind,as I am totally aware of,what do you all think of reincarnation?Is it a possibility?

Thanks in advance,
william.

GilesC · November 8th, 2009, 20:51

Originally Posted by billyboy2674

The Vedics are doctrinal and exclusive in nature whereas Eckhart is non-secular.

They are only doctrinal if the writings are taken literally, rather than wisdom illustrations as they are intended. Vedic philosophy is just that, a philosophy. Some religions mis-use them just as some mis-use the writings of the bible.

Vedic philosophy cannot be exclusive. Exclusivity implies duality; Vedic philosophy teaches Oneness.

Tis is what I don't know to be true.
If I watch over my mind,it may be an experience similar to when I see my reflection in the mirror.
I cannot percieve without mind.Or so I currently believe.
I may be able to partially shut it off,and not be enslaved to it for sure,but as to my current state of consciousness if I can percieve something,even if it is emptiness and silence,I do not know that it isn't from an untapped source of mind or alter-ego.

Only you will be able to determine that. That is part of your search for truth.

My other question would be...if we are not the mind,as I am totally aware of,what do you all think of reincarnation?Is it a possibility?

You are referring to reincarnation in human form? As a possibility, yes, it's theoretically possible. Science tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed, so even if the physical body dies, the energy that is a part of the True Self (whether you percieve that as the mind, thoughts, memories etc. or something else), could surely move on and attach to the same in another physical form. I think that would be a whole thread topic in itself.

Hugs

Giles

billyboy2674 · November 8th, 2009, 22:30

They are only doctrinal if the writings are taken literally, rather than wisdom illustrations as they are intended. Vedic philosophy is just that, a philosophy. Some religions mis-use them just as some mis-use the writings of the bible.

Understood.

Tis is what I don't know to be true.
If I watch over my mind,it may be an experience similar to when I see my reflection in the mirror.
I cannot percieve without mind.Or so I currently believe.
I may be able to partially shut it off,and not be enslaved to it for sure,but as to my current state of consciousness if I can percieve something,even if it is emptiness and silence,I do not know that it isn't from an untapped source of mind or alter-ego.

Only you will be able to determine that. That is part of your search for truth.

Yes...but I was hoping for your output.lol
I don't have to follow anyone on anything,but I may be able to find pointers in external words that may help me on my way home.

You are referring to reincarnation in human form? As a possibility, yes, it's theoretically possible. Science tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed, so even if the physical body dies, the energy that is a part of the True Self (whether you percieve that as the mind, thoughts, memories etc. or something else), could surely move on and attach to the same in another physical form. I think that would be a whole thread topic in itself.

And I've had inklings of it myself,which confuses me because I can't figure out what the point would be.
Oh well,regardless,thanks again.

Eady · November 8th, 2009, 23:58

Man this is the longest thread in the world I don't have much input to say in this topic but I do have a question I have been using creative flow and optimal learning to try and expand my horizons on being more creative but for some reason I've been in a slump and its actually going in reverse and I feel constricted to a box instead of being free willing is it possible I am trying to hard ??!!!