Some very profound and deeply moving reply's made by Ta Tsu Wa and Bhavya seem to have been lost after the forum was down
I had even saved a reply on Ta Tsu Wa's post on my pc. Did you guys happen to save it ?
@ Fuzzy
I am happy to have moved you. Maybe you can join us in our group meditation tomorrow ?
@ Islovin
Apparently I was not clear at what I tried to bring across.
I will ask you a series of questions now,
these are not critisism !!! I am interested to see where my message was transformed into yours.
In my humble opinion....Thoughts DO exist. Thoughts are energy.
A thought can be measured in brainwave activity. In the movie "What the bleep do we know?" this point is illustrated as follows: It shows a person staring at a candle. The tester measures the brainwave activity. Then the tester asks the person to close their eyes and picture the candle in their mind and to think only of that candle....The brainwaves are again measured. The exact same brainwave activity is observed. Now granted I have not personally done this test to measure brainwave activity so I am only believing what I was shown in a movie...but I am going to assume that they are presenting data correctly.
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I am pretty sure I never said that thoughts don't exist
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We can not repress or control our thoughts or our feelings
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Exactly ! Did I say you could ?
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Even so called "bad thoughts" have their place in teaching us and allowing us to CHOOSE how we want to act on these thoughts. It is up to us to be open enough to the collective consciousness on how to better serve us and the greater good by the actions we take regarding our thoughts in the "now".
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That is exactly why I said it is important to only
observe the thoughts. I never said that you have to fight them, or judge them, discard them. Just watch them ! From the Self !
Life unfolds wether we think about it or not. We react, wether we think about it or not. Not from thought, but from pure consiousness itself ! But before you can see that, you have to let go of your
attachment to thought, memory or thoughts of the future. You don't have to take actions to make them go away, you just have to see that they are not you, just something happening in you. Of course you are free to react to thoughts. Just don't let thought pull your attention
into it.
One of my posts here was lost in the server crash, I will ask you the same question:
Islovin, I can tell from your reaction that you are a very dishonest person.
this is an example, it is not how I think of you at all.
If I were to tell you this, you would probably say something along the line of:
"That is soooo untrue, I am in fact very honest, you see, just the other day I told this guy at the shop that he gave me too much change, and blabla "
You are an honest person. I see.
So, when you are reading a novel, you are being honest. When you are daydreaming, you are still very busy being honest. When you are visiting the bathroom, you are doing that in your most honest way.
Of course, when asleep, in between dreams, you are still being honest.
Hm. This does not seem to be the case. I don't have to constantly be honest, because I am also not dishonest.
My judgement of you being honest was a thought from my mind.
You took the thought personal. Your "I" felt attacked in the image it had of itself. It immediately tried to make that image into one that felt more comfortable, more of a positive view of the "I".
But as I demonstrated, this view, this image, was made from a thought. The nature of thought is that it comes up, it goes away. It is not constantly there. That would even be very harmfull to how you lead your life. You would crash into a tree with your car because you weren't paying attention to the road, just this one constant thought.
This is why it can only repeat itself. It can't "be" you.
If you let go of the need to judge the thought, but to realise that the thought isn't you, can't describe you, who you are, ever because you are infinately bigger and more beautifull than the mind can ever comprehend ( not a compliment, a fact ! ) makes you realise that there is another I observing that thought
Who is that observer ?
Try to find it ! Where is the observer !
Can you form an image of it ?
Try !
You can't, can you ?
This is the viewer, the observer, the timeless self. It is the source of your consiousness, it IS consiousness. Without it, you would not exist. Your perception of the world would not exist. Intelligence makes you assume that the world won't end when you die, but who knows for sure ? You can only be sure that YOU, that observer, is observing the world directly around you. You can't observe the world from other people's eye's.
It is shapeless. A concept your mind can't process. Shapeless means endless. No beginning, no end. Where does your Self stop ?
this is the space in which everything appears, and which the Self observes. This can be the images of a tree projected in your eye, but also a thought. Everything is watched by the Self.
